California single-payer $400 billion healthcare plan approved by state committee with no funding


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Running out of other people’s money: A California legislative committee yesterday approved a single-payer state healthcare plan that is estimated to cost $400 billion, twice the state’s entire annual budget, without indicating how they intend to pay for it.

Details, details! Who cares about how one pays for an entitlement program? The point is to pass it, and let your great-granchildren figure it out. In this case, however, the problem is so large that it’s impossible to do without the funding in place first, because of the need to pay providers for goods and services. California hardly has an extra $200 billion laying around, and even if it did, it would need to shore up its collapsing pension system first. The state is also on the hook for a $100 billion high-speed rail system whose funding is still unclear. Democrats don’t have much idea about how to pay for their current priorities, let alone their seizure of the health-care sector. [emphasis in original]

The leftists in California want to secede from the U.S. Maybe we should let them, since that state is about to go bankrupt and I am sure most Americans in the remain 49 states don’t wish to stuck with the bill.

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  • wayne

    The Classicist:
    “The Tenets Of Progressive Nihilism”
    Victor Davis Hanson
    http://www.hoover.org/research/classicist-tenets-progressive-nihilism
    (embedded souncloud player 18 minutes total)

  • Edward

    From the article: “The solutions for this fiscal meltdown in a single-payer system, CHI noted, were all unpleasant. One option would be to cut benefits of the universal coverage, and hiking co-pays to provide disincentives for using health care.

    Well that sounds about right. The solution to the health care problem is to make less health care available by cutting benefits and making it inaccessible by setting up “disincentives for using health care.

    Add to that the taxes that will inevitably be imposed on those with jobs (the state tax rate will have to triple, since the cost adds over twice as much as the existing budget), and we Californians will lose all incentive to work, since we won’t be able to keep enough of our earnings to live on, or to eat. Thank god we will at least have reduced-service, socialized health care, complete with disincentives against using it.

    At least, as an unemployed Californian, I will finally have affordable health care, even though I won’t have access to it, unlike now, when the health care insurance is unaffordable but the health care is still accessible (and — ironically — more affordable than the insurance).

    Leave it up to the politicians to come up with a worse solution than the previous one that they came up with.

    What a pack of idiots. They must be Democrats, because even the stupid party (Republicans) aren’t quite that stupid.

    Morons to the left, morons to the right, morons throughout the capitol.

  • Cotour

    This is all simply a scheme to confiscate wealth from those who can and do and the redistribution of that wealth to those who can not, or will no longer, or never were going to as per their cultural training. This is the yoke of “Equality” (read: Modern slavery) that is meant to level the field and make everyone more “Equal” (read broke).

    When everyone is “Equal” and equally broke then the government will be the only facility to turn to, thats when Venezuela visits us all. This is the trajectory that our political class are determined to keep us on.

    “Morons”? Noooooo. This is a natural trajectory that politics demands over time. Our collective question remains: Does the existence of the Constitution have the capacity to change what we can plainly see on the horizon?

  • pzatchok

    I am all for letting California leave.
    Seriously. Lets find a way to get them out of the Union.
    I am even willing to forgive or pay off all their external debt to do it. Like back water and power bills.

    If California leaves they will no longer be protected by the 9th court. They will have to pay full price for ALL their utility imports.

    No more cheaper than the market water for their illegals and farmers.
    No more fixed price electricity from outside the state.
    All those military bases will move right out of the new Cal republic. Unless they offer something our service members stationed there could use.
    If they want the US to clean up any old super fund sights we will. We just will not hand them the cash to for it. We will import American workers and equipment to do it. We pay for, it we keep the profits inside our tax base.

  • Edward

    Cotour pointed out: “This is a natural trajectory that politics demands over time.

    Which is what makes the politicians morons.

    pzatchok,
    You wrote: “All those military bases will move right out of the new Cal republic.

    There may not be quite as many military bases left in California as you think, it looks like there are only 33 left, and few of them have large numbers of personnel. Realignment, from two decades ago, eliminated many and reduced the sizes of others.
    http://www.militaryauthority.com/wiki/military-bases/nationwide/california/

  • pzatchok

    33 is more than I thought it still had.

    But if each one deposits 1 billion dollars into the local economy then Cali is in for a loss of almost 33 billion a year.

    Add in all the materials the military currently buys out of Cali now. ALL of it will leave for someplace still inside the US. The US government by law must purchase from a domestic source unless nothing is available.

    What would they have to charge for almonds, olives and avocados to make up for all that? Because quite frankly we can get everything else outside of Cali.

  • Edward

    pzatchok wrote: “But if each one deposits 1 billion dollars into the local economy …”

    That is a big if. Most of them are small. The big ones would be San Diego Naval Station, Beale AFB, and Travis AFB. Many are large in land area (e.g. China Lake) or large in the news (e.g. Vandenberg or Edwards AFBs), but with California’s $2.5 trillion GDP and anti-military attitude, the state has not cared much about the loss of economic activity when bases are shut down. They believe that the land area will be put to other economic use.

    The economic activity generated by these large bases is small, as demonstrated by their local towns. Mojave, near Edwards, is pretty small, only 4,000 people; Lompoc, near Vandenberg, is only 40,000 people, and less than $2 billion of its economy comes from the AFB; Fairfield is near Travis, which is listed as the city’s largest employer, but its population of 100,000 works at plenty of other companies, too. Ridgecrest, near China Lake, is only about 27,000. San Diego, of course, is far, far bigger than its naval station could support, but it would definitely notice if the station went away.

    Other than San Diego, it looks like military bases in California support less than a couple hundred thousand citizens, directly and indirectly, and it seems to me that the state would gladly give up those people’s livelihoods in order to become a military-free zone, because — as too many Californians believe — the evil US military’s only purpose is to kill people and break things (but judging from its annual killings and destruction, it is very inefficient at this mission).

    Of course, California has yet to throw out the defense contractors that bring in tens of billions of dollars in state economic productivity.

    There are hundreds of military bases throughout the US, so 33 in California isn’t very many.

  • Cotour

    And the head butting begins:

    “Cotour pointed out: “This is a natural trajectory that politics demands over time.”

    Which is what makes the politicians morons.”

    No, you are incorrect, they are not “morons”, they are human participants in something that until the Constitution existed is a scenario that must play out as proscribed by human nature and history. The opportunity exists because of the uniqueness of the document and what it has demonstrated so far in history to bypass the inevitable.

    That IMO is the potential of the Constitution and what it promises and is how and what it was designed to attempt to usurp by the people who designed it (Brilliant). Time will tell if the document and the people who live under it are up to do what must be done.

    Living and fighting the good fight in the forest we tend to forget the bigger picture. I call that immersion. If you become immersed and are unable to step back and properly understand what must be understood then you are unable to see what must be done and do it. No matter the resistance encountered, the business at hand must be taken care of.

    What will the positive indicator be? If and when we see Hillary Clinton and the people who surrounded her during her and her husbands brilliant but corrupt and subversive activities leading up to her unsuccessful run for president some how be legally rectified. Balance must be had, one way or another. Right now there exists two sets of laws and everyone either can plainly see it or they intuitively understand that things are out of balance.

    One set of laws as per James Comey for Hillary and the Democrats and one set of laws for the rest of us. This must be reconciled, if it is not then IMO we are continuing down the road to destruction and the Constitution is lost and has been rendered asunder. If the political powers that be on both sides (and they both understand this) are able to through political and legal means to somehow work this out, even if she is pardoned and no one suffers what they should.

    This is the moment of truth that our country faces in the coming months and years. I say in time it will be accomplished. No, it must be accomplished! From it will issue forth a very positive future, without it our country will continue to rot and fester. And who wants a rotting and festering country? Not me.

  • Cotour

    PS: California is going nowhere, that is a Leftists wet dream.

    There would be another civil war before California was allowed to leave the union. But I suppose it keeps some people busy thinking of such things.

  • ken anthony

    California has at times paid employees with IOUs and the banks have accepted them for deposit. That works until the day it doesn’t. I believe I can now see that day?

  • wayne

    California thinks they are South Carolina, circa 1861.
    (How ironic eh?)

    “California Goes Confederate”
    Victor Davis Hanson on AM-640
    February 2017
    https://youtu.be/dYGS9IJDUMU
    (16:32)

  • wayne

    Red Hot Chili Peppers
    “Californication”
    https://youtu.be/YlUKcNNmywk
    (5:21)

  • Cotour

    Charlie Daniels buttressing my contention that Hillary and her teams illegal actions must be at some point be reconciled with American law.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/charlie-daniels/charlie-danielss-open-letter-chuck-schumer-youve-opened-pandoras-box

    Its is coming.

  • Edward

    Cotour wrote: “No, you are incorrect, they are not “morons”, they are human participants …

    Even humans can be morons.

    That they see the failure of tyrannies around the world, not just present day but throughout history, yet continue to turn our great nation into a tyranny, makes them not as smart as they think that they are. They have a choice of ruling in heaven or ruling in hell (the choice isn’t even the usual “to serve in heaven,” as they are already inside the government, so they don’t have to change jobs to change where they rule), but for some unknowable or ineffable reason they choose to turn heaven into a hell for the population, as the moron Hugo Chavez did, rather than rule in the existing heaven.

    They are morons.

    And I apologize to the moron community for associating them with these truly idiotic people who aren’t smart enough to make it in business, or to earn a PhD, or even to make it as a lower class worker. Instead, they collect themselves into a group that is pampered daily by a flock of staff, donors, and armed guards, who take care of their every need, because these morons have failed to take care of themselves. Each of them even needed a campaign manager in order to get themselves into office, because none of them are smart enough to get there on their own. Hah! They probably couldn’t survive on welfare, either, which explains why they keep adding to welfare programs, as they project their stupidity onto everyone else.

    No wonder these morons think that the rest of us didn’t build our own businesses. They couldn’t do it on their own, and projection takes care of the rest, in their minds.

    (I seem to have gone on a little longer than I intended. My apologies to those who prefer shorter comments; I had only intended to write that first sentence: “Even humans can be morons.”)

    Cotour also wrote: “PS: California is going nowhere, that is a Leftists wet dream.

    Correct. I never had any illusions of California leaving the Union, and neither did anyone else who has a brain.

    But it is always nice to dream.

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