“For the first time in my adult life, I was outside of the liberal bubble and looking in.”
The story: A gay liberal reporter does a balanced story on gay conservative Milo Yiannopoulos for the leftwing gay magazine Out and discovers how hateful and close-minded the leftwing community is that he has been a member of for years. The full quote is this:
I realized that, for the first time in my adult life, I was outside of the liberal bubble and looking in. What I saw was ugly, lock step, incurious and mean-spirited.
Still, I returned to the bar a few nights later — I don’t give up easily — and hit it off with a stranger. As so many conversations do these days, ours turned to politics. I told him that I’m against Trump’s wall but in favor of strengthening our borders. He called me a Nazi and walked away. I felt awful — but not so awful that I would keep opinions to myself.
And I began to realize that maybe my opinions just didn’t fit in with the liberal status quo, which seems to mean that you must absolutely hate Trump, his supporters and everything they believe. If you dare not to protest or boycott Trump, you are a traitor.
If you dare to question liberal stances or make an effort toward understanding why conservatives think the way they do, you are a traitor.
It can seem like liberals are actually against free speech if it fails to conform with the way they think. And I don’t want to be a part of that club anymore.
Read the whole article. It illustrates how the left’s intransigence is convincing no one, and is alienating many others.
Also, anyone who has lived in urban liberal communities like New York or Washington (as I have) and has conservative opinions, or even simply wishes to think about the issues and express an independent opinion about them, knows exactly what this man has learned. The liberal world is a close-minded world, unwilling to hear other opinions and increasingly filled with hate for anyone who disagrees with them.
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"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
The story: A gay liberal reporter does a balanced story on gay conservative Milo Yiannopoulos for the leftwing gay magazine Out and discovers how hateful and close-minded the leftwing community is that he has been a member of for years. The full quote is this:
I realized that, for the first time in my adult life, I was outside of the liberal bubble and looking in. What I saw was ugly, lock step, incurious and mean-spirited.
Still, I returned to the bar a few nights later — I don’t give up easily — and hit it off with a stranger. As so many conversations do these days, ours turned to politics. I told him that I’m against Trump’s wall but in favor of strengthening our borders. He called me a Nazi and walked away. I felt awful — but not so awful that I would keep opinions to myself.
And I began to realize that maybe my opinions just didn’t fit in with the liberal status quo, which seems to mean that you must absolutely hate Trump, his supporters and everything they believe. If you dare not to protest or boycott Trump, you are a traitor.
If you dare to question liberal stances or make an effort toward understanding why conservatives think the way they do, you are a traitor.
It can seem like liberals are actually against free speech if it fails to conform with the way they think. And I don’t want to be a part of that club anymore.
Read the whole article. It illustrates how the left’s intransigence is convincing no one, and is alienating many others.
Also, anyone who has lived in urban liberal communities like New York or Washington (as I have) and has conservative opinions, or even simply wishes to think about the issues and express an independent opinion about them, knows exactly what this man has learned. The liberal world is a close-minded world, unwilling to hear other opinions and increasingly filled with hate for anyone who disagrees with them.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
David Mamet describes this situation perfectly in “The Secret Knowledge.”
Hmmm, US vs. THEM doesn’t work!? Kinda remember that from somewhere.
But then again, if you’re not in lock step with Trump you’re accused of diversion or called sub-human by the Local Fluffer…
BSJ
“if you’re not in lock step with Trump you’re accused of diversion or called sub-human by the Local Fluffer…”
Yes, perhaps by him but not so much by his supporters. That is a big difference in my view. What’s surprising to me about this observation about Liberalism is that the author seems to think it’s something new. It’s been the essence of Liberalism for as long as I can remember and I go back a long way…
I seems to me that a huge portion of gay people are actually pretty conservative,
Oddly where I work about 20% of the people on my shift are gay. Mostly women, ranging in age from 20 to 60.
And you would be surprised at exactly how conservative they really are. Except for the 20 somethings.
They do not want open boarders and agree something needs to be done about it soon.
They hate free give a ways from the Government for lazy people. Well fare should be work fare.
Taxes need to be lowered on everyone.
Obamacare sucks wind. Their insurance costs are going up faster than a Space X rocket, just like mine. And coverage is dropping.
They do not need or want special laws. They just want to be treated and payed the same as everyone else.
They don’t like Trump but its mostly about the grabbing thing. Which understandably put off quite a few women from all sides. They agree it helped that he at least owned up to it.
The whining protesting environmentalists need to get outside and start experiencing what has already been saved.
Not to many liberal attitudes in our shop.
pzatchok-
-Just from my anecdotal experience, completely agree in large measure with your opening observation.
I had a related observation from the Liberal Democrat woman that works for me the other day.
We were talking about the organized violence that has been going on related the push back to Trump and she made a major leap in her thinking. She said to me (without me asking) “I always thought it would be your people that were so violent, and its has been them that I was scared of. But that’s not how it is, it is the Left that are the violent ones”. I really was shocked! (She is very intelligent and actually has the potential to evolve and “see” just like this gay writer. But she has to be offered something politically reasonable to believe in after the revelation)
I said no, “I have been telling that for years. I continued: An American patriot will get violent, even kill you if he (or she) absolutely has to but it will be based in the defense of the Constitution and or invasion from an enemy. Americans, just like you, just want to be left alone to live their lives with the least amount of government “guidance” and confiscation of their money (taxation). The Tea Party / Right demonstrations are for the most part peaceful and reasonable. ”
“You are a Liberal Democrat who still believes that your political party is lead by traditional “Democrats”. That is no longer true, your party leadership has been taken over by Leftists that have a foundation in Marxism, these people are very, very violent activists and anarchists. Why are they so violent? Because they stand 180 degrees from the concepts in the Constitution and their collective philosophy demands that they destroy the Constitution in order to install their “more perfect” form of governance, Communism. Marxism is the natural enemy of the Constitution and Capitalism, as is Communism which is the next step in Marxism. ”
“The patriotic, American Democrats who so blindly follow those who are not blind, those who understand exactly what they want to achieve and who now find themselves in power, like the “Fundamental Change” of the likes of Alynski, the Obama’s and the Soros’s of the world, are being lead to their political destruction as they attempt to disrupt and destroy. And they do it all under the protective cover of the First Amendment to the Constitution and totally funded by what they say they despise Capitalism! Now that’s irony.”
No matter how calmly or eloquently I have ever explained any of this to anyone who thought that they opposed the Conservative / Tea Party / Constitution movement it has done not much good, it has to hit them over the head and then they begin to pay attention rather than knee jerk opposition. But there is hope as these two stories reveal.
The Constitution is the hope.
Over 35 years ago I shared a cab ride in NYC with a coworker. She shh’d me because I questioned her leftist views and she didn’t want the cab driver to overhear. It really was incredible how afraid she was of an open conversation. She at least had a brain.
Today, the left has truly become dangerous. They’ve always been mental. But their level of projection, accusing others of their own traits, has become so extreme, and their unreasoning so unassailable that they are an existential danger to everyone including themselves. If the adults don’t remove every bit of power from them the downfall will be the adults fault.
Making the media responsible will be difficult but some movement seems to be happening. Where we can do something more directly is in government and education (this may be our last chance.) We need to be merciless about it.
Us vs. them is appropriate when there is no reasoning with them. Pay attention to the appeal to emotion arguments devoid of facts. For example: deportation breaks up families!!! So does locking up any criminal.
Argue ‘deportation breaks up families’ with this less known fact the lest does not want out in public.
In the EU if a child is born in an EU nation the child is given citizenship but the parents are not given residency. They are all shipped back to their nation of origin and the child may come back and take full citizenship when they reach 18.
Then ask them what Mexico’s policy is.
We can ship the mall back and place immigration courts on the Mexican side of the boarder.
Most stay even after being caught because they find a free lawyer and get a court day months if not years later to prove they are citizens.
Sorry but if you cannot prove citizenship inside of an hour after being arrested then your going back over one of our boarders.
Two ways to prove your a citizen. Valid SSN. Tell the cops where your birth certificate is on record at so they can make a call.
Pzatchok-
Like Wayne, I agree as well. In many of Milo’s speeches he often states that gays are natural libertarians. And, of course, these days, libertarians are much closer to conservatives on the political spectrum than they are to the progressives.
Pzatchok-
Also, I am curious what field you are in. For whatever reason, there are some fields where lesbian’s seem to be over represented than the percentage of lesbians of the population at large – e.g. electricians.
TimArth–
-you touch upon an excellent point— people self-select as to professions. And there’s a definite over & under-representation, across fields.
(I’m in “human services,” and depending on level, that is (generally) a female-majority profession, and just by shear numbers brings with it a non-random distribution.)
Tangentially, I would point out– the incidence of homosexuality in the general population is less than 10%. Network Television sit-coms however, as an example, would have you believe it’s in the 25-30% range, because that’s the distribution in Hollywood.
MILO should be 100% “attack-proof,” by lefty-standards; he’s outrageously gay, impeccably groomed, & exclusively dates dark skinned black guys, but he has the “wrong” politics for the left wing haters, and refuses to play the Role of Victim.
Chad, from the original article, was definitely living in a bubble. I’d like to know more about him, but it matters not in the grand scheme– “welcome to the revolution Chad!”
@Wayne:
I remind myself to following numbers, which I learned some decades ago: 4% gays, 1% lesbians. Never 10% in total. I assume that female homosexuality is not an evolutionary outcome and cannot be real, because a young fertile female/women , who is not willing to receive sperm and grow children is a major threat to existence of species, whereas 4% men, whose do not deliver sperm, do not matter.
@Wayne:
I would like to add something. You made a good remark: MILO is (or should be) 100% “attack-proof,” by lefty-standards, because is a homosexual man. Therefore, he has an import role in order to fight neo-Marxism/leftism, even if he shares some left positions at the end. However, he represents only a first step to defeat leftism. He is an ice-breaker, other more right, more conservative, real men will follow.
I would pivot off this topic & highly (highly) recommend a recent talk by Nassim Taleb;
He characterizes current world-discontent as a back-lash by the people, against “Experts.”
-Our mastermind, ruling-elites, live in complete bubbles, tell everyone else how to live, and are completely insulated & immune from all their actions.
> Taleb refers to the “expert class,” as “I.Y.I,” “intellectuals, yet idiots.” They are all “experts,” on everything, except for real-life.
“Of Black Swans and Intellectual Fallacies”
Nassim Taleb January 2017
https://youtu.be/2_OjqsglRhU
(1:00:00)
Donald Trump is the most gay friendly president ever. He is the only president ever who has spoken out against muslims stoning gays to death on the streets, and actually acted to stop importing those gay hating murderers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1nJ5JwLdU4
The family is an ideal, not a requirement. Why ever stop any two persons who love each other live together? I think that the main reason why all leftists hate Trump is because he is pro-gay. No muslim can stand that, and they paid many millions in bribes to Hitlary Clinton to kill all LGBTQ and enslave all women, just like at home since a thousand years.
Who are the tolerant? From what I see it’s mostly on the right with some exceptions. The left doesn’t even tolerate others lefties when they fail to move in lockstep.
I was so disappointed with Juan Williams that got mugged by the left and stayed a moron.
Why would I, a straight christian, think Milo is brilliant? Because he uses reason. I miss Breitbart.
I work in the circuit board industry running a CNC machine.
We are subcontractors to all the big guys we talk about on this board. Especially the military. We even have about 90% of the Space X/Tesla contracts.
Pretty much if it flies I might just have had a hand in building its circuit boards.
The ladies in question work in all the other departments from photo processing and assembly to final inspections.
I have no idea how or why so many gay people work in our shop but it seems to be on a steady rise.
I agree with Nick P, except I am not at all surprised. “What’s surprising to me about this observation about Liberalism is that the author seems to think it’s something new. It’s been the essence of Liberalism for as long as I can remember and I go back a long way…”
The author, Chadwick Moore, saw for the first time what so few leftists notice. They absolutely, positively must stay in lock step with the accepted opinions, otherwise they are shunned and “excommunicated” from the leftist community. This hurts leftists, who tend to be people who want desperately to fit in. It is why they so blindly follow the others, as Cotour noted, and are so hard to turn on to reality.
If they do not follow the others, move in lockstep, as ken anthony’s put it, they will be just as shunned as Moore, and they intuitively know it, even though they rarely admit it.
It is so deeply ingrained that ken anthony’s coworker feared the cab driver knowing that her fellow rider was not liberal. Yes, ken, they only listen to emotional arguments; they do not care about logical ones. Liberals often speak in terms of how people feel, not what people think. This has become so ubiquitous in our society that I recently answered a conservative friend’s question about what I felt about a Kia commercial with both how I felt (fine) and what I thought (Melissa McCarthy has a sense of humor about how eco-warriors so often have epic failures).
Liberals who agree with each other in every statement is where the phrase “echo chamber” came from, often used to describe the media, a liberal mob trapped in its own bubble.
Even way back in the early 1980s, when I was in college (but I’m not that old), one leftist friend of mine thought that there should be a PC magazine to tell everyone what the latest acceptable thinking was. (The joke was that at the time there was a “PC Magazine” but it was for people with Personal Computers.)
It has been terribly difficult for me to convince my liberal friends that they are merely going along to get along, because they claim that they actually believe what they say, even when what they say contradicts what they said the last time we discussed matters.
And by “liberal friends” I mean people who are stuck talking to me, like family members or coworkers. Most of the topics are not hot-button topics but the more generalized topics, such as economics, especially Keynesian Economics and FDR’s Raw Deal — er — New Deal. Often they fail to see the connection with Obama’s economics or his fascination with FDR’s policies.
pzatchok wrote: “I seems to me that a huge portion of gay people are actually pretty conservative,”
A huge portion of self identified liberals are actually conservatives. If you ask them about specific conservative views, without telling them first that they are conservative, they will often times agree with those ideas. I get to say “welcome to the Tea Party” a lot.
Another trick on them is to suggest that a lesser known Trump statement or conservative policy is actually an Obama statement, and watch how they love it and always agreed with it. Liberals do not seem to have good memories and do not seem to pay much attention to reality.
From interviews in 2008, when both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats, notice how the interviewees often attribute negativity to Republicans; it is reflexive to most liberals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 (10 minutes)
One of the problems is that the left’s bubble, that Moore lived in, is so large and populated with other leftists that they do not see themselves as in a bubble. For them, liberalism really is good, because that is all they hear and becomes all they wish to hear.
Goebbels would be proud of the American left.
Come to think of it, being trapped in their echo-chamber bubbles is why so many liberals are unable to come to grips with the fact that Clinton didn’t win. Everyone that they know voted for Clinton, too, early and often.