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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084566&quot;&gt;Andrew_W&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084566">Andrew_W</a>.</p>
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		By: Andrew_W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew_W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Mr. Zimmerman, I wasn&#039;t paying attention when putting the name in the box in above comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mr. Zimmerman, I wasn&#8217;t paying attention when putting the name in the box in above comment.</p>
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		By: Andrew_W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew_W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson, I would think that hiking is a natural off-shoot of exploration, that people choosing to go to Mars would have a strong inclination towards that sort of thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Eagleson, I would think that hiking is a natural off-shoot of exploration, that people choosing to go to Mars would have a strong inclination towards that sort of thing.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew _W,

I&#039;d hardly say I&#039;m &quot;telling future Mars colonists how to live their lives&quot; by simply pointing out that the transplantation to Mars of Earthside leisure activities will cover a range of difficulty from easy to impossible.  Mars colonization will be, especially in the early going, strictly the province of people with hard heads and pragmatic mentalities.  Self-selection will see to it that no one who can&#039;t live without their sailcraft or aqualungs is going to be a Mars colonist.  Hiking as a leisure activity may eventually come to Mars, but not soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew _W,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hardly say I&#8217;m &#8220;telling future Mars colonists how to live their lives&#8221; by simply pointing out that the transplantation to Mars of Earthside leisure activities will cover a range of difficulty from easy to impossible.  Mars colonization will be, especially in the early going, strictly the province of people with hard heads and pragmatic mentalities.  Self-selection will see to it that no one who can&#8217;t live without their sailcraft or aqualungs is going to be a Mars colonist.  Hiking as a leisure activity may eventually come to Mars, but not soon.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman suggested: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I do not think a more friendly Martian environment would have made any difference in what happened after the 1960s space race.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

I suspect that had the Martian environment been more like the Louisiana Purchase then we would have been more eager to get there.  As it is, many people ask why we even think of going there, since nothing is there, not even breathable air.  

Fortunately, there are civilians willing to spend private money (their own money) to go where governments are reluctant to go, even though they spend public money (other people&#039;s money).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Zimmerman suggested: &#8220;<i>I do not think a more friendly Martian environment would have made any difference in what happened after the 1960s space race.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>I suspect that had the Martian environment been more like the Louisiana Purchase then we would have been more eager to get there.  As it is, many people ask why we even think of going there, since nothing is there, not even breathable air.  </p>
<p>Fortunately, there are civilians willing to spend private money (their own money) to go where governments are reluctant to go, even though they spend public money (other people&#8217;s money).</p>
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		By: Daniel Gmyrek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Gmyrek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a t-shirt (wish I could post pictures)  in the style of national park posters which says: “Hike the canyons of Mars National Park” with an appropriate illustration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a t-shirt (wish I could post pictures)  in the style of national park posters which says: “Hike the canyons of Mars National Park” with an appropriate illustration.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084447&quot;&gt;MatF&lt;/a&gt;.

MatF: You ask a &quot;what-if&quot; question, which are by definition really unanswerable. Personally I do not think a more friendly Martian environment would have made any difference in what happened after the 1960s space race. The U.S. was primed to try out the Soviet model of top-down rule in its space effort, and would have done so regardless. The result would have been the same, decades of wasted government spending accomplishing little.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084447">MatF</a>.</p>
<p>MatF: You ask a &#8220;what-if&#8221; question, which are by definition really unanswerable. Personally I do not think a more friendly Martian environment would have made any difference in what happened after the 1960s space race. The U.S. was primed to try out the Soviet model of top-down rule in its space effort, and would have done so regardless. The result would have been the same, decades of wasted government spending accomplishing little.</p>
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		By: MatF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert - back to your &#039;casual fantasy&#039;, surmise for a moment that if the Martian atmosphere was much more amenable to us, say just needing supplemental oxygen and a light mask, do you think the space race would have continued and we would have already had a manned landing in the 70s or 80s, or do you think the technical difficulties, government overrun/lethargy, and lack of private interest until now would have held us back to this time frame (2030s) anyway?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; back to your &#8216;casual fantasy&#8217;, surmise for a moment that if the Martian atmosphere was much more amenable to us, say just needing supplemental oxygen and a light mask, do you think the space race would have continued and we would have already had a manned landing in the 70s or 80s, or do you think the technical difficulties, government overrun/lethargy, and lack of private interest until now would have held us back to this time frame (2030s) anyway?</p>
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		By: Andrew _W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew _W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson, stop telling future Mars colonists how to live their lives.]]></description>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With all due respect to Mr. Z., I think early Mars settlers are going to have a lot of appreciably higher priorities than figuring out ways to make hiking work there.  On the scale of difficulty of transplantation of Earthside leisure activities to Mars, anything requiring a large body of water will top the list - sailing, motorboating, water skiing, scuba diving, fishing, surfing, cliff diving - you get the idea.  Hiking is, in comparison, much easier but still not &lt;i&gt;easy.&lt;/i&gt;  Mountain biking would be a lot easier to transplant to Mars than hiking.  Motorcycle trail riding would be easier than mountain biking.

The Appalachian Trail didn&#039;t become a thing until more than three centuries after the arrival of the first British colonists in Virginia and Massachusetts.  I suspect it won&#039;t take anywhere near that long for a comparable trail to be established on Mars, but I&#039;m also sure I won&#039;t live to see it and I suspect my offspring won&#039;t either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Mr. Z., I think early Mars settlers are going to have a lot of appreciably higher priorities than figuring out ways to make hiking work there.  On the scale of difficulty of transplantation of Earthside leisure activities to Mars, anything requiring a large body of water will top the list &#8211; sailing, motorboating, water skiing, scuba diving, fishing, surfing, cliff diving &#8211; you get the idea.  Hiking is, in comparison, much easier but still not <i>easy.</i>  Mountain biking would be a lot easier to transplant to Mars than hiking.  Motorcycle trail riding would be easier than mountain biking.</p>
<p>The Appalachian Trail didn&#8217;t become a thing until more than three centuries after the arrival of the first British colonists in Virginia and Massachusetts.  I suspect it won&#8217;t take anywhere near that long for a comparable trail to be established on Mars, but I&#8217;m also sure I won&#8217;t live to see it and I suspect my offspring won&#8217;t either.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman replied to Dick Eagleson: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I guess you’re right. It can’t be done. No point in even trying.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Sarcasm aside, these are exactly the types of problems that we expect Martian citizens to explore and solve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Zimmerman replied to Dick Eagleson: &#8220;<i>I guess you’re right. It can’t be done. No point in even trying.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Sarcasm aside, these are exactly the types of problems that we expect Martian citizens to explore and solve.</p>
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		By: Andrew _W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew _W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We consume a little less than a kg of O2 a day. No reason a liquid oxygen system couldn&#039;t sustain a person for a week or more, water supply comes with the LOX and possibly Cryogenic CO2 scrubbing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We consume a little less than a kg of O2 a day. No reason a liquid oxygen system couldn&#8217;t sustain a person for a week or more, water supply comes with the LOX and possibly Cryogenic CO2 scrubbing.</p>
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		By: Mark Storch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Storch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert... great idea, i like it!  The younger generation of which my kids are a part have dreams to getting to Mars.  And such exploration will be part of it all.   Good article, thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert&#8230; great idea, i like it!  The younger generation of which my kids are a part have dreams to getting to Mars.  And such exploration will be part of it all.   Good article, thanks.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084318&quot;&gt;Dick Eagleson&lt;/a&gt;.

Dick Eagleson: I guess you&#039;re right. It can&#039;t be done. No point in even trying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/a-great-hike-to-do-on-mars/#comment-1084318">Dick Eagleson</a>.</p>
<p>Dick Eagleson: I guess you&#8217;re right. It can&#8217;t be done. No point in even trying.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sounds as though your proposed trail could exceed the length of the Appalachian Trail.  That isn&#039;t going to be something easily traversed on foot even in 3/8-G with a suitable spacesuit.

There&#039;s also the little matter of where all the air/breathing mix would come from to keep even a single notional hiker alive as he ambles along.  Unless there are shelters with stationary air plants that run on solar or beamed power and make breathable air out of the martian atmosphere situated at fairly short intervals all along the &quot;trail,&quot; a &quot;hiker&quot; would have to carry his breathing mix with him.  If Earthside hiking trails needed a comparable level of infrastructure to keep hikers alive, no one would hike.

Carrying breathable &quot;air&quot; in sufficient quantity to cover any appreciable distance might not be possible even using, say, a mastodon-sized version of a Boston Dynamics robot &quot;dog&quot; or &quot;mule.&quot;  The necessity of having something that size following one on the &quot;trail&quot; would necessitate said trail being a rather considerable road.  Imagine, if you will, widening the Appalachian Trail to allow each hiker to be followed by a Caterpillar D-10 bulldozer - not the sort of experience an Earthside hiker would be looking for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds as though your proposed trail could exceed the length of the Appalachian Trail.  That isn&#8217;t going to be something easily traversed on foot even in 3/8-G with a suitable spacesuit.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the little matter of where all the air/breathing mix would come from to keep even a single notional hiker alive as he ambles along.  Unless there are shelters with stationary air plants that run on solar or beamed power and make breathable air out of the martian atmosphere situated at fairly short intervals all along the &#8220;trail,&#8221; a &#8220;hiker&#8221; would have to carry his breathing mix with him.  If Earthside hiking trails needed a comparable level of infrastructure to keep hikers alive, no one would hike.</p>
<p>Carrying breathable &#8220;air&#8221; in sufficient quantity to cover any appreciable distance might not be possible even using, say, a mastodon-sized version of a Boston Dynamics robot &#8220;dog&#8221; or &#8220;mule.&#8221;  The necessity of having something that size following one on the &#8220;trail&#8221; would necessitate said trail being a rather considerable road.  Imagine, if you will, widening the Appalachian Trail to allow each hiker to be followed by a Caterpillar D-10 bulldozer &#8211; not the sort of experience an Earthside hiker would be looking for.</p>
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