Can do what they do in the world because they are committed and focused, a man of vision and they put their money where their mouths are and MAKE it happen. And when government attempts the same IT CAN ONLY RESULT IN DISASTER AND CORRUPTION, its a scam.

“Racism” in America, its rampant.

I present the irrefutable evidence.

https://youtu.be/OODD_ag3ehI

This is an excellent example of just how effective one man, who is a Jew, can be in spreading his particular brand of “Racism” here in America. Outrageous!

The pepper balls are projectiles using the same CO2 tech as a paintball gun.
Paint balls are also used to ” tag” suspects for later arrest based on their actions. Same CO2 gun used, just swap out the bins.

Not the only incident of them shooting at or physically attacking media or civilians for no reason. No, I’m not going to look all that up for you. Google it.

I wasn’t specific enough? Sorry. There haven’t been any reporters who have died, which is widely known. If you’ve been following the protests as closely as you claim to have been, you would know that. I never implied that they were using lethal means. That’s something you read into my words, which is what you do. In any event, media shouldn’t be targeted.

pzatchok, she had a backpack? Really? Like the protesters. Oh. I guess the cop missed the news cameraman with her that he shot at as well. Beyond the lines but threatening nobody.

Only paint balls? No, pepper balls. Different. Please provide your address. I’ll send some people over to shoot at you with pepper balls so you can tell the difference.

Had a backpack on. Just like the protesters.

They were only paintballs. Little stingers out of an airgun. Children shoot them at leach other all the time.

She moved back pretty quick. Just like the cops wanted.

““Officers do have orders not to fire pepper balls at media, but I’m sure you hopefully understand that sometimes when the media are involved inside the crowd or inside the area where there are protesters, and those protestors are doing something unlawful or something they are not supposed to do, it’s sometimes an unintended consequence when we fire the pepper balls into the crowd,” Chavous said.” (Wave3 news)

The officer has been reassigned pending investigation.

When you say ” cops shoot journalists” with out specifying that it’s non-lethal crowd control measures, you are making an emotional appeal.

And then you added all this is happening because Trump gave a mean speech, putting it as his feet.

This is why I said your blaming Trump for everything.

Sorry, Chris and Bourbon I’m not used to having to annotate and have to provide links to things has done or said. He’s so all over the media that most people are aware of it. If they’re not they are at least capable of googling it.

Here’s an example. Search term: news crew shot at by police

https://abc30.com/tv-crew-shot-news-with-pepper-balls-wave-at/6221562/

See how easy that is? Instead of responding immediately saying there is no evidence, look it up for yourself. Then your response wouldn’t be totally uninformed.

To save time, please provide a list of publications and sources that you consider credible. That way I’m not referencing news sources Trump has told you not to trust because they accurately report what he says and does.

Well have a nice day.

https://googlethatforyou.com?q=what%20was%20trump%20referring%20to%20in%20Article%202

If you think Americas treatment of reporters is limited to and only includes Trumps presidency then you are truly ignorant of the whole rest of the world.

Do you really want me to look up the stats on reporters deaths and injuries around the world?

Two thumbs up, the threat today in the country comes full throttle from the Democrat party leadership and the Left that they pander to.

Desperation when survival is involved will bring out the worst in anyone, and in this case it just reveals the Democrats and the Left for what they are, Socialist promoting panderers who would “Fundamentally change” America.

And to change it into what? They never quite get to that level of detail. In the end its Capitalism and the American Constitution that drives anything good in the world. It promotes it and it supports it.

Change into what is the question? And there is nothing other than rhetoric and Leftist talking point to rile up the masses that are willing to eat what they are serving. Bovine effluent, nothing more, nothing less.

This is the only statement we agree on.

However, it always is. Every generation, as President Reagan noted. And always will be under threat, as President Lincoln noted.

The current threat is not in the White House.

The current threat is the mobs of people that are trying to steer protesters into socialist revolution, and the Progressive politicians that support them. The threat of a failed socio-economic system uprooting this country and destroying it is real.

“If you’re worried about tyranny, about fascism, you really need to focus on Trump.”
“Trump has said…. That should scare people.”
“When you hear a president say… becomes a very scary thing”
“Throw in his admiration of autocrats…”
“He is an autocrat”
“Trump thinks he can do anything”
“Trump has encouraged them to rough up people they’re arresting. That issue is real as we’ve seen, it particularly affects minority communities, and that is what the protest is about”
“When you demonize the press for years…”

You want to argue facts and logic, but all of your arguments are emotional pleas.
You said numerous times “Trump said X, Y, or Z, and I called it out of context, provided the context, and at least once, gave you the full quote, because I realized you are not seeking out the context as I provide it.

“[Press] been deliberately fired upon..” You have no basis for making such a statement. They were struck by pepper balls or rubber bullets (not the lead kind.. a rather important fact you leave out). You and I cannot like it. It is awful that a photographer lost her eye. However, that does not automatically make it deliberate. You imply malice, and assign it to Trump with your overall argument. This is just another emotional plea on your part.

“When he tells police to mistreat suspects, when he paints media as enemies of the people, he encourages violence against them.”

You know, I watched the whole darn thing. There is no way to properly convey patterns and style of speech that is used with sarcasm. You just have to see it. It is clear to anyone.

Above are the reasons I stated that you are here as part of the outrage machine.

“My suggestion that the protests and violence be understood within a historical American context was dismissed outright.”

You wanted to “shift the frame of reference” to a frame that supports your conclusion.
I shifted it the other way by providing examples of Progressive Democrat laws and policies that have oppressed people of color. I gave you examples of poor governance that I believe have helped lead us to the current situation. I provided specific examples of such laws, and painted them in that context. This is called making a counter argument. You failed to see the logic, because you don’t like it.

Not just CNN. The idea that journalists had it coming is dispicable. Firing on and roughing up journalists without cause under color of authority is police brutality. It should be cause for dismissal. Letting Trump off the hook for creating an atmosphere were assaulting journalists is viewed as OK is unacceptable.

The protests are about police brutality. Police have proven it’s real in their response.

I have tried to provide examples of what Trump has done and said only to have those things dismissed as oh he’s only being sarcastic or he didn’t really mean it or that’s not racist or he never did or said that.

You talk about data. But the original post lacks it. There are a lot of historical facts put forth connected to present day events in the thinnest and weakest of ways. My suggestion that the protests and violence be understood within a historical American context was dismissed outright.

Boubon Guy: you have long responses long on rhetoric but short on facts and logic. It’s less an argument than a chance for you to put out a lot of talking points whether they address the issue or not.

Sorry but the support for the local officer comes first from his fellow cops, then his union, then his commanders, then the local politicians whom the union supported. Add in a few friendly prosecutors and internal affairs officers.

The president of the US doesn’t have any influence in this unless he personally steps in and saves an officer. Otherwise its just lip service.
Exactly how many officers has he stepped in and saved so far?
As a counter point how many people has he stepped in and commuted their sentence? Hint, more than Obama did.

I note this not to make points in an argument but to insure we argue with facts which we cannot change with our opinion. It is of premium importance that we all keep to facts and not our perception of facts.

Also important is that we keep talking and arguing on the facts.

Sign off from Montana

Personally, I’ve watched every Trump Rally in their entirety, and maybe 90% of all Trumps official government appearances.
[C-Span and/or Right Side Broadcasting]
All these alleged authoritarian-commands attributed to Trump = lies.

But then you went to this :The scariest part of this whole situation has been Trump…blah blah blah” and THAT is where you lost me. And every post you have made has been to try to convince me, a mere mortal, that Big Bad Trump is who we should really be scared about. I reject that too. He is a politician. We have survived worse politicians. Just look at the past 400 years.

I said you are caught in the outrage machine. Man I am telling you, get out of that machine. It will kill you (be destroying your health). Its is BAD for you. It never ends and there will always be someone to be outraged about. Just wait, and CNN will tell you who.

If you have some other point that we should accept the violence, because of 400 years of history, then make it. But I reject “white privilege” arguments as a false emotional plea. I reject the notion that we need to radically change our system of government (BLM Foundation is OPENLY socialist). The Constitution is fine. I reject abandoning the Rule of Law, even temporarily because of a rogue cop. I do not accept that it is “just property” damage. It is destroying small business owner’s livelihoods (most will not recover based on previous riots ). I reject anything So if any of those are the basis of your argument, then we are done here.

Look for a video of Chaziel Sunz, former BLM leader who got OUT because he realized its a money game.
Wanna read a book, go get Blackout by Candace Owens. She is real good about explaining the scam that keeps the race issue stagnant and ongoing, ON PURPOSE.

The press has brought this on themselves with decidedly biased reporting. CNN is openly manipulating videos of Trump, changing context. And what is worse, they feel justified.
The overseas journalists were usually embedded with American Units, which means they were quite safe. When they stand in the middle of rioters when they cops use pepper balls or rubber bullets, they are gonna get hit.
I have seen the videos online. They are nicely edited. That is what Antifa does. They provoke (usually violently), and then video the response and call it aggression.
They have been doing this for YEARS. Andy Ngo and others have documented this.

Trump also reversed Joe Bidens 1994 Crime Bill with Mandatory sentencing. (Another “systemic racist law” passed by Dems.)
Not all of Obama’s policies were really that good. They did little to protect and put lots of money in the Lawyers pockets. They were also not LAW, they were executive order. You wanna do reform? Pass a law.
Leading by policy and declaration is not good leadership.

As for Trumps speech to the LE group. I know, Trump knows, and THEY know what sarcasm is. It was great, and the Media ate up the distraction like mad. Just like you are. In the mean time he went on to pass good legislation and appoint more judges. You apparently do not realize that he is playing the media, and you, with his rhetoric, while pushing good policy. And quite frankly, I do not care if you, or the media, dislike it.

You have consistently misunderstood what I’ve said here. You have long rebuttals to things I’ve never written and did not mean. You twist the words to something you want to respond to and then pour forth well rehearsed rhetoric. Makes it hare to have any sort of conversation here.

But briefly:

There are plenty of videos online showing police not showing restraint and actually attacking protesters and media without provocation. That you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Trump told law enforcement they were free to rough up suspects during a speech before a law enforcement group. He also made remarks about paying legal fees for rally attendees removing a protester from a rally. He has also reversed a number of good Obama-era policies designed to reform policing. And ignored a playbook on better policing the administration left him. (Shades of the pandemic playbook.)

There have been journalists who have covered conflicts overseas who say they were never targeted during their time doing that. But they have been shot at by police here without provocation. When you demonize the press for years, call them the enemy of the people, it encourages cops to go after the media for doing their jobs because they don’t fear consequences from the administration. That’s what I mean by having their back.

Every post you have made has a statement to malign Trump for us, to show us how “orange man bad”. You are showing signs of obsession, and you point to him in every post as the cause of something wrong. I don’t like some of his rhetoric either. The man talks like a fool. But NEVER ONCE has he gone out and said ANYTHING that is racist. Not one of his policies is racist. But the moment he stepped onto the Republican Platform he was apparently converted to an instant racist. In fact, most are the exact opposite (prison reform, producing jobs pre-pandemic, meeting with black leaders). And just saying now, if you come back with the “fine people on both sides” quote, don’t. There are many sites, that put show is complete remarks and debunk that myth.

“Police have been attacking protesters”. Many of the videos I have seen are the other way around.
I have also seen videos of incredible police restraint. Police may defend themselves. They are not required to give ground. They have a duty to protect the city/county/ state they work for. They are not stopping marchers. They are not stopping chants. They are stopping riots.

And please, open your eyes and see the difference between protest and riot. They are not one and the same, and as I said before, NOTHING from our history justifies vandalism, looting, arson, assault and murder. NOTHING in our “unique American Experience” makes that allowable.

-I see they made an arrest in the murder of David Dorn.
I guess black lives don’t matter if that black man is getting in the way of stealing a new big screen TV.

-I also see that “Go fund me” has cancelled a fund raiser that Candace Owen started to support a bar in Alabama. The bar is being boycotted because the bar owner committed the sin of agreeing with the video I posted above.
I guess black voices don’t matter, if they are saying the wrong things.

-But rely on Joe Biden. “I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black”.
I guess Black votes don’t matter, if they are voting for the wrong candidate.

More of that institutionalized systemic racism.

And you will NEVER see me doing this.

When did he encourage violence against the Media? And who in the media have been attacked by whom? All I see is the conservative media being attacked. The two cases of the progressive media being “attacked” one was an argumentative collage student dressed just like the rioters and the other was a fat dude dressed just like the rioters and he was let go a few hours later no charges or bruises.

“There would be less of this if the police didn’t feel Trump has their back”
In other words you want the police to feel isolated and afraid? Afraid enough to never defend themselves? Afraid enough to never lay a hand on a suspect again?
In other words you want the police to not have any boss “who has their back” or supports them.
How would you feel if you had a boss or work environment that didn’t support you? The first accusation of any type against you and you are fired. No investigation just fired.
The guy behind you on that corporate ladder just accused you of being racist and boom your out the door. Someone accuses you of being homophobic and you no longer have any customers.

You better pray that someone other than your mother has your back.

Of course police brutality existed before Trump entered office. That’s what I’ve been saying. The problems go back centuries.

Now you are back to “everything is Trumps fault.”

Police brutality was an issue before he was President.
It will be an issue after he is president (regardless if that is next year or five years from now).

Police brutality effects EVERYONE. It is hardest on those are on the receiving end, but the people that hate it the most are the 99% of cops that are professional.
Have you seen the “ACAB” signs. This is “All Cops are B******s”. It is a scheme by antifa to: a) lump cops together; and b) attempt to separate the community from law enforcement further.
Why? Because widening that gap is what they want. That makes it easier to stir people up.
THere have been several law enforcement leaders reaching out to BLM throughout the protests. Taking a knee with them, talking with them. In some places handing out water and masks so that they can march peacefully and safely.

Antifa is pushing back against that. That is the opposite of their goals. They do this by encouraging attacks on police and by baiting the police into over reacting.Throwing the bottles and rocks and creating random gunfire in hopes the cops will shoot. They are instigating this to prevent LE and BLM from engaging. That is not how you lower police brutality. That is not how you reduce the so-called “systemic racism”.

Antifa is rightfully being labeled a terrorist org by Trump.

Yes, and the German experience is unique to Germany.
And the Canadian Experience is unique to Canada.

“We need to understand what is happening today in the larger context of our nation’s struggles over the centuries and what has occurred in the past. ”

Being aware is one thing. However, this is not the 1950’s. or the 1850’s or the 1650s. The construct known as white privilege is literally nothing more than the latest scheme to transfer wealth.

I did not own slaves. My family moved to North America just prior to the Civil War, and several wore a Blue uniform during that war. No one in my family owned a slave. They worked from the ground up and built a business.

If there is a systemic institutionalized racist system in this country, it is because the democrats put it there. Jim Crow laws would qualify as such law, but that is gone, for a very long time now. The welfare (war on poverty) institutionalized racism, by limiting peoples ability to get out of poverty. The moment someone got a job, the safety net was yanked away, and so it encouraged people to just “take the check”. It rewarded fatherless homes, something many in the black community have tried to point out, but were shouted down (“how dare you disrespect single mothers that way”). This destroyed the black family unit, and impaired generations. And anytime there was an attempt to reform it, Democrats protected it like a Southern Master protecting his plantation.

In short anything that created the stability or success for the majority of black Americans was the opposite of what the Democrats wanted. There is your systemic institutionalized racism. At your feet.

“Saying Kristallnacht adds little to the discussion.”
Kristallnacht was in Germany, yes. However, who broke the windows? Fascists, specifically the SA.
Who is smashing windows here? Fascists. Fascists pretending they are not by calling themselves antifa.
They are the primary instigators of the violence. They are the ones handing out brinks to teen age boys, hoping to provoke a shooting. They are coordinating the violence?
Why, same reason in Germany. They want to change the government. They are using BLM to legitimize their cause.