As predicted, the ‘forensic report’ is quickly debunked. Dominion will now likely have to defend their machines in the form of defamation suits if they want to survive as a business.

“So transparent, so void of objectivity.”

Also Cotour:

“Remember, this is the era of Trump, where all will be revealed. Its his destiny.”

C’mon now.

That is the point my friend, the mess is the system. And that is precisely the way they want it, anything else would be a hardship on the Democrat party. They can not win honest elections, not ones that really count anyway.

And that system is specifically designed by the Democrats for the purposes that I have specified. All of those items that I have listed are designed to weaken the voting system and are promoted and argued for by the Democrats.

“They would argue that what they’re doing is making it easier for eligable voters to enrole and to vote. ”

Exactly, then when rational people point out that by Democrats proposing to make the system weaker with all of those unsound proposals and make the system more prone to fraud and corruption, they call you a racist.

The Democrat party actually proposes that black people in America are unable to get themselves an I.D.. An I.D. is racist according to the Democrats. The Democrat party is the most disrespectful to the black population in America.

Watch this, its straight up: https://youtu.be/DCytgANu010

These are all lily white Liberal Democrats and are fully indoctrinated by their political masters and mouth what they are suppose to mouth. Its ridiculous, but there it is all the same. Its a prime example of how the Democrat party MUST keep the black population in America dependent and MUST characterize them as being to incompetent to live without them.

And this is exactly why Trump poses the strongest threat to the Democrat party. Trump enriched the black population, Trump has garnered the most votes from the black community than any other Republican president, Trump respects the black population. And that must not be able to be continued and that is why they have had a mighty effort in these several districts to make sure that Trump was removed from another term. That and “The New Green Deal”, the Great Reset, Globalism and the Socialist utopia. Where Democrat rule without opposition.

You can get this, I am not trying to trick you in any way shape or form here. You may be too moral a person to fully comprehend this, but believe me it is so. Why do you think I spend so much time pointing this stuff out?

They would argue that what they’re doing is making it easier for eligable voters to enrole and to vote. Either way it seems that your voter registration system and voting system is a complete mess.

Disinformation?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064091/Mike-Pence-skip-country-soon-formally-confirms-Joe-Bidens-victory-January-6.html

What will he do?

Why do you think that the Democrat party all over the country are constantly attempting to weaken the rules and laws that govern elections in America? They are constantly pushing: No identification, no ID, No photo ID, no signature verification, same day registration, 16 year olds to vote, mass mail in voting, absentee voting and anything else they can come up with to weaken the security of the vote?

Why do you think that is?

https://populist.press/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf

I say to you again, Democrats in America would never be able to be elected to much of any elected office except for where they can cheat and run in weakened security systems. They would sell their mothers and their grand mothers in order to be able to structure how elections are conducted.

By any means necessary means by any means necessary, its the Democrat mantra. Its THEIR religion. And to be fair, the Republicans are corrupt in their own special ways. But the Democrats represent the real threat to Democracy and freedom in America and by extension the world. And that is a certainty, That is bank.

Are you beginning to understand now?

1. “I’ve slaughtered and butchered my own food, as a New Yorker your food is packaged.”

You are so very correct on this point, anyone who likes to eat, either chicken, beef, pork and have a mashed potato unwittingly and unconsciously farms out there killing and growing to others. They are all animals and are all killers, once removed that is.

But many would never admit to being just that, animals and killers. Animals, 100 percent, and there in lies the beginning of the disconnect from the reality of existence that human beings perform every day. And that extends well into politics.

“What I refereed to was the nonsense claim: “human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence”
(Not nonsense)

I call it the Intellectualizing of their reality. Human beings live in two realities, their DNA / biological reality, we live alone and apart from all others in an intellectualized reality which is purely a function of our unique brains. I think we can agree here, this is where it begins. Large brain, opposable thumbs, bipedal walking, tool making, controlling fire, Barbecue. The keys to the universe.

2. “You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment, Nothing could be further from the truth, I don’t suggest you reject them, I suggest you just stop deifying them, ”

NEVER!

Their accomplishments as an extension of those brilliant minds from which they came from in Europe require that they be seen with awe and admiration. Period. You don’t understand it? That is on you.

3. “If there had never been an American revolution the US would have had a similar form of government to Australia or Canada, a federal system with a Westminster form of democracy.”

FALSE.

You nor I would be here to have this discussion had America not existed in the frame work of the history of the world.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.w1gJXoZ9l-caCviRCFRGgAHaEc?w=290&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7

4. There is clear evidence that the 2020 presidential election was wrought with fraud and corruption. It exists at varying degrees in ALL election in America. The rub is however, CAN YOU PROVE IT WAS ENOUGH AND SO EXTENSIVE THAT IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE RESULTS IN COURT. And that is coming one way or another, trust me on this.

Will it be in time to save Trump from retiring? I am not certain, but the evidence of a concerted effort by the Democrats in key locations to cheat is there and it continues to pile up and will become apparent to all, even you. Trump for many reasons must go according to the Democrat party, he in real terms represents a real existential threat to them.

(Trump must go. And that is exactly why he must stay.)

Remember, Democrats in America, Socialists in other parts of the world, can never win an election (Except in Sweden), especially today without them first lying about everything that they say, think and do. A Democrat (Or Socialist) who tells the truth is an existential threat to the Democrat party body, and to prove that I give you the likes of , AOC. AOC and her honesty about exactly what she says thinks and does has resulted in major losses for the party. And that is the evidence. She is half educated and fully indoctrinated, a dangerous political condition.

The question remains: Will the Democrat cheating machine be enough in force to steal the Georgia Senatorial race? Stay tuned on that, the same election machines will I assume be used and the likes of Stacy Abrams have been very busy with her mail in vote efforts. Mail in voting is the least secure form of voting, I.E. opportunity to cheat.

5. “Nope, the biggest reason for the lower levels of conflict in the modern world is the far greater resources and wealth available due to technology, the creation of capitalism from simple market economies and the development of educated populations able to control their governments and with the knowledge to select smarter governments that better serve the public’s interests are also indirect products of improved technology and greater wealth.

SEE # 3. , And.

None of what you list would exist at the levels you cite if the American experiment in governance and economy never existed. The world would be a much more violent and a much dumber place. The American Constitution and Capitalism lies at the foundation of all you list.

America, its Constitution and Capitalism is but one formula, one equation fashioned by man that solves the prime directive:

How do we reproduce and successfully survive and move into the future?

That’s enough to think about for now, I am digging out of a foot of snow today.

There is a reason for that and the existence of the American Constitution has a very large part to play in that.
Nope, the biggest reason for the lower levels of conflict in the modern world is the far greater resources and wealth available due to technology, the creation of capitalism from simple market economies and the development of educated populations able to control their governments and with the knowledge to select smarter governments that better serve the public’s interests are also indirect products of improved technology and greater wealth. That, incidentally, is the dynamite the CCP will find itself standing on if it were to try to follow the path you imagine it’s destined to.

2. Its not that many other people lived at the interface of their freedom and tyranny, its what the Founders were able to accomplish relating to identifying and codifying the fundamental elements of what are essential to the freedom of the individual and how that relates to the form of governance that one might find themselves.

If there had never been an American revolution the US would have had a similar form of government to Australia or Canada, a federal system with a Westminster form of democracy. You probably imagine the country would be vastly different, I think I would probably have avoided a lot of the internal conflict that we see in American history, there would be minor differences, but not so great as to make the country anything other than a large English speaking Western democracy.

You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment,
Nothing could be further from the truth, I don’t suggest you reject them, I suggest you just stop deifying them, they tinkered with the democratic process that they knew of, I don’t see any great leap forward in terms of governance, I suspect a step backwards, a step away from more sound democratic processes.

I never write, “Gobbledegook”
What I refereed to was the nonsense claim: “human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence”
You’ve been munching on too many (red) pills, no humans live removed from the realities of existence because they all live in the real world, this isn’t the Matrix, their perspective will be different to you’re but it’s the same real world, you imagine your perspective is superior to theirs, and they imagine their perspective is superior to yours.
I’ve slaughtered and butchered my own food, as a New Yorker your food is packaged. Should I claim that you live “many levels removed from the reality of existence” because of that difference in our life experiences? Surely it doesn’t get more real than eating what you yourself have killed?

There was clear and massive wide spread fraud and corruption in the 2020 presidential election, and that is plain to see.
Well that’s how it is in your echo chamber, meanwhile, the efforts to prove that claimed “widespread fraud” have failed, and when Republicans like William Barr and Mitch McConnell (and many others) fail to see what Trump loyalists can see they are labelled as traitors.

. . . then so be it.
I hear that sentiment over and over again, no doubt those who say it believe their own words, and I’ve heard similar sentiments from fanatics, cultists and conspiracy theorists, but for some reason, with those people also, the proof they need for them to change their minds about what they want to believe can never be found.

Of course he is, but it is so much fun needling him, especially since he isn’t smart enough to read lengthy replies. I get in zingers and he has no idea. Such ignorance is fun to tease and is worth the time taken. I hope it doesn’t get old, as it did for a couple of others that I stopped reading.

1. You, me and pretty much everyone else lives at the most peaceful time in human history. (Do you understand that?) There is a reason for that and the existence of the American Constitution has a very large part to play in that. We all live in a modern day fantasy and that fantasy sits upon in great measure the American Constitution.

(Q: In the future if Communist China remains undeterred on their path to dominate the world, what will New Zealand do when they come and tell you what is what? When they tell you what you will be doing, saying and not doing and saying? When they come and confiscate your land and resources? Don’t be in such a hurry to throw the American Constitution under the bus for some fantasy that you think is out there.)

2. Its not that many other people lived at the interface of their freedom and tyranny, its what the Founders were able to accomplish relating to identifying and codifying the fundamental elements of what are essential to the freedom of the individual and how that relates to the form of governance that one might find themselves.

Yes, the Founders were of European stock and there were great men (And women) who understood the problems related to the individuals freedoms, primarily related to the freedom to worship as they pleased. The Europeans lived for a thousand + years under a form of governance that was based in royal lineage, feudalism, violence, corruption, nepotism, etc, etc and abuse of power. They knew it well, its the nature of man. And there came a point where that began to change and you can identify the Magna Carta as the paradigm shift in that model. But where could that paradigm shift in governance be fully realized?

And America being a place situated physically far away from that old system was an opportunity for it to evolve, and the Constitution is the result, the evolution of, the next step in that unique thought process and situation and the need for individual freedom. You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment, and nothing could be further from the truth. The Constitution is the next logical incarnation of their brilliance, and I make this point very specifically: These were actual and real PROGRESSIVES. Not like the Left and even Marxists today who are “Progressive” only for PR purposes.

The Left today proposes that: “Socialism has not been done properly as of yet”. And the likes of you and a good number of others forget the lessons of history and are enamored with their Socialist destructive and enslaving fantasy of “Equal” outcomes. And that is where you must realize your mistake and adjust your direction of thought. Your brand of thought will result in only one result, being dominated, essentially owned by others who are stronger and more focused then you. You will be owned by the likes of the Communist Chinese who are the natural recipients of the Globalist / Socialist . New World order / One World government model.

3. Andrew W: I never write, “Gobbledegook” when writing about the Constitution. The problem is your inability, or better misunderstanding of where the Constitution comes from and actually represents and accomplishes.

4. There was clear and massive wide spread fraud and corruption in the 2020 presidential election, and that is plain to see. Again you look at these events from your moral perspective and there in its all unbelievable and beyond what a person or an organization would dare attempt to execute. Your perspective is limited by your morals and understanding of human nature related to power.

And because of that fact you limit your ability to understand, and that goes to the advantage of those who would seek to control the likes of you and many others. You, just like most are your / our own worst enemy and we tend to limit and constrain ourselves within that model we have developed in our own heads. In other words all those who think similarly are victims of their limited ability to understand.

Human potential is unlimited related to these domination aspirations.

5. Trump does not like losing, but if it turns out that he has lost whether through his unpopularity, which is hard to grasp seeing what he accomplished in his administration and the numbers of people that follow and support him, or because the opposition was just smarter and more cunning and willing to go to take measures that were beyond his control, then so be it.

Make no mistake, politics is a form or warfare, and all is fare in love and war. Fail to understand these things at your own and our peril.

STRATEGY OVER MORALITY

Those are excellwnt points. In the preliminary report ASOG goes beyond the facts into speculation. Not being the final draft may mean there is more data to present, but I’m not holding my breath.

And others recognize these limitations, and are acting to fill in the gaps.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20425685-subpoena-to-detroit-city-clerk

Edward-
hey! I rather think Jeff is baiting us. (good stuff all around, welcome to obamas amerika, eh?)

Fixed that for you.

But of course the ridiculousness of the claims made in the audit, which are at odds with the evidence in the recount, combined with the fact that it was commissioned by a lawyer who employed an organization who both wanted the audit to reveal the machines faulty means the audit debunks itself.

Thank you for your admission of being dumb, unenlightened, and a rube.

If sarcasm isn’t self-demeaning it should at least be witty.

Thank you for your admission of being dumb, unenlightened, and a rube. I hope you don’t mind me reminding you of this from time to time.

Part of why your admission is so believable is that no one has debunked this audit. Of course, being unenlightened and a dumb rube, you do not realize this. As usual, you make up your own facts in order to seem to get your way.

“…head like a hole,
black as your soul,
I’d rather die than give you Kontrol…”

Knew better than whom? Numerous people in numerous countries “lived at the interface of tyranny and their freedom”, including many who went on to spout rubbish ideologies and/or to become tyrants themselves. The founding fathers lived in their times, perhaps they understood their times. The best you can say is that they had the opportuninty to follow the teachings of the great men of the European Enlightenment, and to a large extent did. But while the principles of the enlightenment are timeless, their practical application becomes dated with changing politics and technology.

How can human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence truly know better?

They can not.

Gobbledegook, perhaps you’re suggesting that some people today are out of touch with the realities of other peoples lives, that’s certainly true, for everyone to a some extent, often to a great extent.

But not when you are willing in your ignorance to throw the foundation of what they crafted out of a high window.

Like I said, the principles of the enlightenment they picked up from the great European thinkers of the 17th and 18th century, people like: Francis Bacon, René Descartes, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Gottfried Leibniz, John Locke,, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Adam Smith, and Voltaire. The principles stand, but crafting those principles into a system of governance has been done slightly differently many times, the system created by the US founding fathers only stands out because the US is the largest Western country today. In practical terms its record of governance is better than some, worse than others.

Now I understand what that guy on BTB was talking about.

Fortunately I can find the opinions of great people other than yourself to study.

. . . under these circumstances where there is blatant fraud and corruption apparent to all . . .

Except there isn’t, the “election was stolen” narrative is the creation of minds not willing to face reality, in the real world the election wasn’t stolen it was lost, but Trump can’t accept that, as it would make him, to his mind, the worst of all things – a loser.

https://chrisduane819.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/manager-vs-leader.png

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/14/wisconsin-supreme-court-says-coronavirus-is-a-not-reason-to-abandon-voter-id-requirement/

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/530327-mcconnell-urges-gop-senators-not-to-object-to-electoral-college-vote

“No Republican senator has joined Brooks, though a few conservatives, including Sens. Josh Hawley (Mo.), Ron Johnson (Wis.) and Rand Paul (Ky.), haven’t ruled it out.”

IF there are no Republican Senators that will under these circumstances where there is blatant fraud and corruption apparent to all and stand with Mo Brooks then the Republican party will revert to the Trumpublican party and IT will or should be taken over and those who refused to do what must be done must be dismissed.

Strategy? Or, Morality?

“If both a House member and senator object, the two chambers would have to meet separately, debate the issue and then have a majority in both chambers vote to uphold the objection to a state’s slate. A lawmaker has never been able to successfully throw out a state’s results.”

Politics and expediency? Or going down the more difficult road and attempting to salvage what is undeniably blatant fraud and corruption by the Democrats of the highest order?

We will all find out soon enough.

The duties of a fiduciary include loyalty and reasonable care of the assets within custody. All of the fiduciary’s actions are performed for the advantage of the beneficiary.

https://t.co/gxY1KW3JMs?amp=1

When you are able to objectively see the accomplishment in the context of the time and what was in fact accomplished there is a feeling of awe and respect. I am happy that you were able to detect that.

“I think it’s allowing the dead too much say that’s gotten America into the current strife.”

These dead knew better because they lived at the interface of tyranny and their freedom. We exist many, many, many levels removed from that reality. And it is because of their efforts that we live in that fantasy where we may come to believe that we know better (Socialism and equal outcomes). And that is counter intuitive and wrong. How can human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence truly know better?

They can not.

Which is not to say that progress and improvements / adjustments can not be made. Not at all. But not when you are willing in your ignorance to throw the foundation of what they crafted out of a high window. Its like allowing a kindergartner the keys to your auto because they told you that they can drive.

“Im an excellent driver”. https://youtu.be/f3Va1VCmq2s

If and when you come to understand these concepts and the switch goes off in your head you will think: Now I understand what that guy on BTB was talking about. Maybe ten minutes from now? maybe just before you draw your last breath. Its up to you to some great degree.

Everything will be revealed in the era of Trump.

Sounds very religious.
I think it’s allowing the dead too much say that’s gotten America into the current strife.
But the robustness of the US system has evidently enabled the country to survive the storm for now.
The Trump era is effectively over.

This is our system, this is our process.

We all choose our sides based on our acquired life perspective and we look for the evidence that supports and justifies it.

I understand what by design should ultimately happen in extreme times. And so it must be. And if it is not, THEN we are in a true Constitutional crisis unlike we have never before seen. Up until now we have not been anywhere near a Constitutional crisis, everything is operating as designed.

My faith and confidence lies with the Founders of this scheme for civilization.

(And how they were ever able to work it out confounds me still.)

Everything will be revealed in the era of Trump.

“Philip Dru Administrator: A Story of Tomorrow 1920-1935”
by Edward Mandell House
https://archive.org/details/philip-dru-administrator/page/n1/mode/2up?q=Philip+Dru+Administrator

The left has their own share or conspiracy theories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_right-wing_conspiracy

Even Bernie Sanders had his.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wikileaks-dnc-bernie-sanders_n_579381fbe4b02d5d5ed1d157

And he sees himself as being so superior and so enlightened.

In my experience these are the worst of the worst. Could not substantively argue his way out of a paper bag, just cover and inundate you with bumper stickers.

A future junior Nazi? Without a doubt given the “superior” opportunity.

Hasn’t made a concrete statement about what he believes or about what America is, and is not in all of the posts he has made. Not one.

Is what it is.

Cotour: I am reminded of that lovely southern expression, “Bless your heart.”

It is people like Fauva that allowed the Nazis to gain power in Germany. Their willful ignorance disgusts me.

IMO the highest form of contempt.