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		By: Edward		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/commercial-space-has-won/#comment-1000614</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LocalFluff wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;He’s got his own mind. He’ll do his own thing. It is genuinely unpredictable because everyone’s mind is neither bigger nor better than any other one’s. One mind cannot figure out another mind.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  

I don&#039;t have to figure out Musk&#039;s mind.  SpaceX has already told us that they will stop innovating the Falcon 9 after the block 5 version comes out.  

LocalFluff wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;SpaceX won’t settle until he himself lands hard on Mars and his lazy inheritors take over.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Which would prove my point to be true, that eventually SpaceX will play-it-safe, and for the sake of keeping its customers.  

LocalFluff asked: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Have you heard of CAPM?&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

No, and I cannot find references to it, but if everyone owns it, then no one owns it.  In fact, such a philosophy allows government to declare sovereignty over it, and everyone stops owning it.  

pzatchok wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;If you compare the exploration and colonization of the New World to today’s space effort they are very similar.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Robert Zubrin makes that case.  He believes that space colonists will have to live off the land as much as they can, just as New World colonists did.  A big difference is that there will be less existing flora and fauna to live off of.  

I am more optimistic on the timeline for a colony than pzatchok, but I think that there will need to be unmanned interstellar reconnaissance probes, taking many more decades, before we are willing to plan an actual manned interstellar mission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LocalFluff wrote: &#8220;<i>He’s got his own mind. He’ll do his own thing. It is genuinely unpredictable because everyone’s mind is neither bigger nor better than any other one’s. One mind cannot figure out another mind.</i>&#8221;  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to figure out Musk&#8217;s mind.  SpaceX has already told us that they will stop innovating the Falcon 9 after the block 5 version comes out.  </p>
<p>LocalFluff wrote: &#8220;<i>SpaceX won’t settle until he himself lands hard on Mars and his lazy inheritors take over.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Which would prove my point to be true, that eventually SpaceX will play-it-safe, and for the sake of keeping its customers.  </p>
<p>LocalFluff asked: &#8220;<i>Have you heard of CAPM?</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>No, and I cannot find references to it, but if everyone owns it, then no one owns it.  In fact, such a philosophy allows government to declare sovereignty over it, and everyone stops owning it.  </p>
<p>pzatchok wrote: &#8220;<i>If you compare the exploration and colonization of the New World to today’s space effort they are very similar.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Robert Zubrin makes that case.  He believes that space colonists will have to live off the land as much as they can, just as New World colonists did.  A big difference is that there will be less existing flora and fauna to live off of.  </p>
<p>I am more optimistic on the timeline for a colony than pzatchok, but I think that there will need to be unmanned interstellar reconnaissance probes, taking many more decades, before we are willing to plan an actual manned interstellar mission.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you compare the exploration and colonization of the New World to today&#039;s space effort they are very similar.

Governments financed the first exploration and colonies for over 100 years.
Then private enterprise took over and it still took years for stable self sustaining colonies to be established.

I am expecting a few private space stations and then a self sustaining lunar colony in 50 years. 
At that point we better have a plan to get to another star system with manned ships.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you compare the exploration and colonization of the New World to today&#8217;s space effort they are very similar.</p>
<p>Governments financed the first exploration and colonies for over 100 years.<br />
Then private enterprise took over and it still took years for stable self sustaining colonies to be established.</p>
<p>I am expecting a few private space stations and then a self sustaining lunar colony in 50 years.<br />
At that point we better have a plan to get to another star system with manned ships.</p>
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		By: LocalFluff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 01:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edward, &lt;i&gt;&quot;I expect that SpaceX will eventually settle into its own play-it-safe mode as its customer base insists upon reliability&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Not at all!
SpaceX is owned by an entrepreneur. (Look up Isambard Kingdom Brunel for comparison). The communist &quot;economic&quot; theories about how collectives work do not apply to an individual (and obviously don&#039;t apply to anything to judge from the track record of the FED&#039;s forecasts). He&#039;s got his own mind. He&#039;ll do his own thing. It is genuinely unpredictable because everyone&#039;s mind is neither bigger nor better than any other one&#039;s. One mind cannot figure out another mind. Best case is that you are busy figuring out your own mind (what is it up to? Crazy stuff!) SpaceX won&#039;t settle until he himself lands hard on Mars and his lazy inheritors take over.

Have you heard of CAPM? The assumption that everyone owns the same assets. It is a horrible mental sickness and it is epidemic among &quot;students&quot; of economics in the universities. It does make the math simple, but it unfortunately has nothing to do with reality. False assumption = false conclusion and total failure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward, <i>&#8220;I expect that SpaceX will eventually settle into its own play-it-safe mode as its customer base insists upon reliability&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Not at all!<br />
SpaceX is owned by an entrepreneur. (Look up Isambard Kingdom Brunel for comparison). The communist &#8220;economic&#8221; theories about how collectives work do not apply to an individual (and obviously don&#8217;t apply to anything to judge from the track record of the FED&#8217;s forecasts). He&#8217;s got his own mind. He&#8217;ll do his own thing. It is genuinely unpredictable because everyone&#8217;s mind is neither bigger nor better than any other one&#8217;s. One mind cannot figure out another mind. Best case is that you are busy figuring out your own mind (what is it up to? Crazy stuff!) SpaceX won&#8217;t settle until he himself lands hard on Mars and his lazy inheritors take over.</p>
<p>Have you heard of CAPM? The assumption that everyone owns the same assets. It is a horrible mental sickness and it is epidemic among &#8220;students&#8221; of economics in the universities. It does make the math simple, but it unfortunately has nothing to do with reality. False assumption = false conclusion and total failure.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;The government-space-program-business-as-usual enemy is definitely on the defensive. I think events of the next two or three years will pretty definitively seal its fate.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  

The business-as-usual enemy is because the older space programs are playing it safe.  SpaceX has been trying new and innovative technologies and techniques, taking risks that the old programs were unwilling to take.  

I expect that SpaceX will eventually settle into its own play-it-safe mode as its customer base insists upon reliability over innovation, but I also expect newer companies to come along and be innovative.  Blue Origin could be the next company to try what will be new and innovative.  I often refer to Skylon as another innovation to try.  

When competition is the driver, improvement becomes necessary.  When government is the driver, improvement quickly becomes unnecessary and even discouraged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Eagleson wrote: &#8220;<i>The government-space-program-business-as-usual enemy is definitely on the defensive. I think events of the next two or three years will pretty definitively seal its fate.</i>&#8221;  </p>
<p>The business-as-usual enemy is because the older space programs are playing it safe.  SpaceX has been trying new and innovative technologies and techniques, taking risks that the old programs were unwilling to take.  </p>
<p>I expect that SpaceX will eventually settle into its own play-it-safe mode as its customer base insists upon reliability over innovation, but I also expect newer companies to come along and be innovative.  Blue Origin could be the next company to try what will be new and innovative.  I often refer to Skylon as another innovation to try.  </p>
<p>When competition is the driver, improvement becomes necessary.  When government is the driver, improvement quickly becomes unnecessary and even discouraged.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The government-space-program-business-as-usual enemy is definitely on the defensive.  I think events of the next two or three years will pretty definitively seal its fate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government-space-program-business-as-usual enemy is definitely on the defensive.  I think events of the next two or three years will pretty definitively seal its fate.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spacex&#039;s Tim Hughes statement is truly inspiring.  Among all the things he said, several stood out for me:

&quot;We remain laser-focused on reliability and safety as we prepare to launch U.S. astronauts next year. Thisis a sacred responsibility that we approach with the utmost dedication and diligence. Additionally, we continue efforts to reach a cadence of a launch every two weeks or less for 2017, with an even higher rate planned for 2018; to move toward rapid and complete reusability of our boosters; to launch our Falcon Heavy launch vehicle later this year, which will be the most powerful rocket to launch since the Saturn VMoon rocket; to develop and produce the initial prototypes for our broadband satellite system; and to continue design and development work of a Mars launch vehicle architecture. Critically, all of this innovation is occurring in the United States, creating high-paying jobs, advancing technology, and generating substantial economic activity.&quot;

&quot;SpaceX maintains......... a satellite system design and development office in Redmond, WA&quot;

A launch every two weeks in 2017 and a higher rate planned for 2018.  And Spacex satellites!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spacex&#8217;s Tim Hughes statement is truly inspiring.  Among all the things he said, several stood out for me:</p>
<p>&#8220;We remain laser-focused on reliability and safety as we prepare to launch U.S. astronauts next year. Thisis a sacred responsibility that we approach with the utmost dedication and diligence. Additionally, we continue efforts to reach a cadence of a launch every two weeks or less for 2017, with an even higher rate planned for 2018; to move toward rapid and complete reusability of our boosters; to launch our Falcon Heavy launch vehicle later this year, which will be the most powerful rocket to launch since the Saturn VMoon rocket; to develop and produce the initial prototypes for our broadband satellite system; and to continue design and development work of a Mars launch vehicle architecture. Critically, all of this innovation is occurring in the United States, creating high-paying jobs, advancing technology, and generating substantial economic activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;SpaceX maintains&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; a satellite system design and development office in Redmond, WA&#8221;</p>
<p>A launch every two weeks in 2017 and a higher rate planned for 2018.  And Spacex satellites!</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;We must never again make the mistake of allowing NASA and the government to run and control everything.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

The philosophy of NASA and government running practically everything space related in America almost destroyed the American launch market and allowed Arianespace to gain most of the commercial market three decades ago.  

Since then, Landsat has been replaced by several commercial companies that do a better job, Iridium has a large contract providing military communications, NOAA&#039;s weather satellites are soon to be replaced or supplemented by commercial satellites, and SpaceX is becoming so amazingly successful that it out launches every country -- including the United States, if SpaceX&#039;s launches were excluded from the US count.  

As Robert&#039;s post says, the International Space Station will be replaced by commercial space stations, which will be able to provide more services to the scientists, engineers, and product developers than the multi-government run ISS has done.  That is saying a lot, since there are thousands of experiments done on the ISS.  

Government run space is not only less efficient, but it stifles innovation.  

Jacob, 
That is a good chart.  If I understand it correctly, it shows orders for commercial launches through next year (although it may be missing the new small-sat launchers, such as for the Google Lunar X-Prize participants, and a few other nations, such as India).  It means that commercial satellite companies are increasingly favoring SpaceX&#039;s price, availability, and quality over government-run launchers.  This ties in with Robert&#039;s declaration that we must never again make the mistake of allowing governments to run and control everything.  Commercial satellite companies are showing their agreement with that sentiment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert wrote: &#8220;<i>We must never again make the mistake of allowing NASA and the government to run and control everything.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>The philosophy of NASA and government running practically everything space related in America almost destroyed the American launch market and allowed Arianespace to gain most of the commercial market three decades ago.  </p>
<p>Since then, Landsat has been replaced by several commercial companies that do a better job, Iridium has a large contract providing military communications, NOAA&#8217;s weather satellites are soon to be replaced or supplemented by commercial satellites, and SpaceX is becoming so amazingly successful that it out launches every country &#8212; including the United States, if SpaceX&#8217;s launches were excluded from the US count.  </p>
<p>As Robert&#8217;s post says, the International Space Station will be replaced by commercial space stations, which will be able to provide more services to the scientists, engineers, and product developers than the multi-government run ISS has done.  That is saying a lot, since there are thousands of experiments done on the ISS.  </p>
<p>Government run space is not only less efficient, but it stifles innovation.  </p>
<p>Jacob,<br />
That is a good chart.  If I understand it correctly, it shows orders for commercial launches through next year (although it may be missing the new small-sat launchers, such as for the Google Lunar X-Prize participants, and a few other nations, such as India).  It means that commercial satellite companies are increasingly favoring SpaceX&#8217;s price, availability, and quality over government-run launchers.  This ties in with Robert&#8217;s declaration that we must never again make the mistake of allowing governments to run and control everything.  Commercial satellite companies are showing their agreement with that sentiment.</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This launch market share chart really shows how much commercial space has eaten away at launch contracts: http://i.imgur.com/E46gHhy.png

It&#039;ll be pretty interesting to see what the division of the launch contracts looks like in five or six years when Blue Origin is (hopefully) flying. I wonder if perhaps BO will initially launch at a loss to get a foothold into the market? Bezos certainly has the money to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This launch market share chart really shows how much commercial space has eaten away at launch contracts: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/E46gHhy.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://i.imgur.com/E46gHhy.png</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be pretty interesting to see what the division of the launch contracts looks like in five or six years when Blue Origin is (hopefully) flying. I wonder if perhaps BO will initially launch at a loss to get a foothold into the market? Bezos certainly has the money to do so.</p>
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