So, its “US”, not you? (Thats what she said)

OK, if you say so.

Sit back and enjoy the show.

The link you posted just proved you found an article that agreed with your view. Your view of why people hated him does not provide any evidence.

Show me the links to his statements. Show me why they hate him.

I posit that they have no real reason other than he just disagreed with them and out debated them.

As proof that the left runs on emotion and not evidence look up Trey Reed.
The left claims he was lynched and spread that narrative all over the internet. Inside hours thousands of people in line were spreading that lie.

I am tired of people trying to defend the idiot left and then claim they are not part of the left.
If you support them you are them.

You have these paranoid ideas in your head. Anything you read gets filtered through them and the response is mangled and distorted, accusatory and conspiratorial. I could condemn Kirk’s murder 1 million times, and you’d still claim I’m lying.

Cotour:You have the same problem. Stop trying to explain to me what I’m saying. You have not a clue.

It is you and me and everyone else who find that Charlie Kirk was murdered live and in living color before 3000 people, his wife and child because of words he spoke are confused.

Its you not them. Remember, words are violence according to the “progressive” Democrat mentality and given that anything can be justified. “By any means necessary”.

(For all sarcasm challenged Liberal, Leftist, “Destroy the white mans Patriarchy” Democrats that was sarcasm)

If not the “white mas” Patriarchy, then what?

Explain it to me.

Cotour: D. Messier is merely showing us the evil face of the left. His point, distilled down, is simply that Charlie Kirk deserved to die because of his “bad rhetoric.” The blame cannot fall on the lefty assassin, because he belongs to the sainted left where all claims are righteous and just. Instead, it is Kirk’s fault, for daring to speak his mind and go to campuses to debate.

That this “bad rhetoric” is a lie and a slander does not matter. Messier has clearly never listened to a word by Charlie Kirk, the same as all the leftists who accuse Kirk of this false crime. If he had, he would also admit to the falseness of the claim. Instead, he tries to magnify it.

Kirk was murdered by a leftist because he exercised his first amendment rights. Messier proves he deeply feels this murder was justified.

HE WROTE WHAT I HAVE BEEN OBSERVING AND THINKING

“Who is Geoffrey Ingersoll? I never heard of the man before, but he has clearly articulated what I (and many others) have been observing, identifying and promoting for many years now. I have cherry picked some of Mr. Ingersoll’s main points, I suggest you read the entire short piece.”

https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/he-wrote-what-i-have-been-observing-and-thinking

“The largest teachers union in Massachusetts is demanding that school districts back off from disciplining educators who publicly cheered the assassination of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk.”

In your opinion D. Messier, what message does that send? (You can get this correct if you apply yourself.)

These are the imbedded subversives that are allowed to teach the young children in America.

And what are they teaching?

They are indoctrinators for the radical “Destroy the white man’s Patriarchy” trained for the last 50 years in the halls of “higher” and more informed learning. (Marxists in other words)

That is what you D. Messier support and are about, whether you understand, “comprehend” it or not.

I enrage some people, SO WHAT!?

The Left in the media, in politics and on this blog tend to “understand” what motivates those who act in ways that are anti civilization, murderous and evil, and that has its place. I do it myself, but what comes through from them is that in their seeking motivation and understanding you / they are essentially making excuses.

Perfect example: Montel Williams: Robinson was “A love torn child”: https://youtu.be/E2geu4P3nfs?si=o1GOBzyj5ElMUu75

Montel is understanding what drove Robinson to murder in cold blood Charlie Kirk, with some extra understanding and “compassion”.

I have been a “Love torn child”, many reading this and breathing today in America were “Love torn children”, it happens. And some succumb and go over the line and once the line is chosen to be crossed then there will be blood.

There is a line and the Left in America (YOU) go over it and do not even realize the subtle and not so subtle messages you are transmitting.

There is a line, and that is the problem with the Left, your line is long, squiggly and unproperly defined within rational normally accepted parameters.

My reading comprehension is fine.

Your reading comprehension skills are once again failing you, badly.

If these messages and other reports by law enforcement are accurate, the killer was involved with someone who was transitioning and angry with Kirk over anti-tran and anti-LBGTQ rhetoric. I’m not blaming Kirk, I’m explain what appears to be the motive.

He wasn’t the only one enraged by Kirk’s rhetoric. Unlike all the other people who protested and debated Kirk, he was disturbed enough to pick up a gun and shoot him. That’s the distinction I’m making here. Don’t blame everyone on the left, all Democrats, for the actions of one disturbed person.

The sad reality is we live in a country that thinks almost anyone should own a gun. It has a for-profit health care system that makes access to counseling quite expensive. That is a dangerous combination in a nation that is so politically divided.

Hey Pzatchok, I provided a link to a story explaining why people were enraged by Kirk’s rhetoric. They clearly don’t agree with your rather benign interpretation of what Kirk said. They saw it as hate speech and scapegoating. You don’t have to agree, but try to understand why they feel that way.

I can only ask for you to find any evidence Mr. Kirk hated minorities. And please quote him in full context. Leave a link.

He disliked the lgbtqexwhyzed life style of several reasons but he NEVER stated he hated the people.
He disagreed with the transgender platform they are pushing. But not the people.
He hated abortion. He argued against it logically and never used religion in those arguments.

As for doing his work on collages and universities. Well, much like bank robbers who go to the source of cash He went into the lions den to bring out a few new converts. And even this was held against him.

This is a demonstration of a fundamental misunderstanding and misinterpretation regarding why Charlie Kirk was murdered.

Here D. Messier essentially blames Kirk for the sick actions of a mentally ill, delusional and deranged young man for his own murder.

A fundamental, accent on mental, misunderstanding.

And D. Messier I guarantee cannot see where he has failed humanity and America.

Charlie Kirks words, nothing he has ever said, ne event that he hosted or was a part of was a justification in any way shape or form for what this mentally ill person chose and decided to do.

He chose to murder Charlie Kirk, that’s it, end of story.

As I said, your piece blamed an entire party for the actions of one killer. That is not fair. It’s not accurate. Violence begets violence. That’s why Democrats condemned this shooting. They mean what they say.

The killer appears to have been inspired to do this vile act by Charlie Kirk’s own rhetoric. Kirk spread hate against minority groups. It was cruel. It was unnecessary. But he had a right to say it.

He should absolutely not have been killed over it. Whether it be this assassination or the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, political violence is unacceptable. This idea that that all of this violence is from the left is crazy. The left didn’t beat up officers at the Capitol. Trump’s MAGA supporters did.

Charlie Kirk believed that some gun deaths were the price of letting almost anyone own a gun. Tragically he became part of that group. I can only offer the standard Republican response to every mass shooting. Thoughts and prayers. If those feel like empty words as you work through your grief, that’s because they are. You know how the rest of us feel when we hear them after a massacre.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-rhetoric-inspired-supporters-enraged-foes-2025-09-13/

Being a pragmatic people, there wouldn’t dare want such behavior in their own country.

” The ‘Jews’ were behind 9/11 and killed JFK…and other issues…”

Maybe tell your daughter to take some time and better look into and understand the activities of the CIA and possible associates when talking about BIG issues in the world and who is shaping them?

100%: “I believe that much of this will ultimately be tied to China through a chain of control used to hide their actions. ”

https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/an-open-society-invites-communist-infiltration

There must be a concerted investigation to find the financial backers behind efforts to distort history and use their propaganda to destroy the fabric of society. These forces are at work throughout the West. I believe that much of this will ultimately be tied to China through a chain of control used to hide their actions. Media must be held to account and must declare something as opinion. For example, calling Trump a fascist is an opinion. Given which side of the political spectrum within fascism exists….this is quite misleading. Internal terrorist groups must be declared and all efforts used to eliminate their activity within the United States. I think standards can be used, such as branding groups that promote violence.. University funding must closely reflect the schools tendency to educate vs subjugate students with propaganda.

It is important to recognize that the alternative world in which many here and in Europe live is an intentional creation of powerful forces and will not easily be thwarted after decades of unchallenged activity.

You accused us of watching mostly right wing news sources, but then you could only find a left-leaning news agency in order to make your point. Do you watch and read mostly left-leaning news sources? Do you watch or read any right-leaning sources? Or do none of the right-leaning news sources you watch and read not say anything that makes your point? If that is the case, then why do you think that your — in your words — “left leaning bias” source is correct in the point you wish to make?

You seem to have as much difficulty finding news sources with right-leaning biases as we Americans do. If we should take in all angles and then form our opinions, how do you think we Americans do that if we are so very limited in angles to take in? Why should we form an opinion from the point you make using only your Guardian report if there are no other reports with different angles to take in and consider while forming our opinion?

These are the kinds of problems we right-wingers have to deal with every time we watch the news. An event happened, and that first part we can generally believe. Who, what, when, and where are probably true. “Charlie Kirk was shot today at a college event in Utah.” Adjectives and adverbs are suspect, as they tend to try to bias the news: “… conservative leader Charlie Kirk was shot at a controversial college event in Utah …” Except for removing the word “who” from “who was shot,” the second version is what I heard, as I write this, on a national radio-network news report about Kirk’s murderer (the first version was shortened from what I heard, and I added the word “today” to include the “when” part of a news report). Adding the words “conservative,” “leader,” and “controversial” changed the theme or mood of the report, didn’t it?

A couple of decades ago, there was a daily morning email called “Journolist” that told left-wing news organizations how to spin the major political news events for that day. Except for Fox News, virtually all of America’s news reports used virtually the same phrases, adjectives, and adverbs to describe each important political news item. The theme and angle of any major political news item was the same almost everywhere we looked. Journolist was eventually outed and disbanded (or so we heard), but we still hear the same phrases, adjectives, and adverbs coming from the all same news sources as they report the important political news. We cannot just turn the dial or read a different newspaper to get a different angle or theme, as they are virtually exactly the same across the different sources and the different forms of media.

So, if we Americans have difficulty finding right-leaning sources to balance the theme of the left-leaning sources that we are immersed in, it is difficult to find the different angles for forming opinions. If you, Lee, can not or will not find a right-leaning source, why are you forming opinions without having the alternate angles?

The leftists in America don’t bother looking for any alternate angles. If they did, they would risk ridicule and rejection from their leftist friends. They self-select and reinforce their opinions, never seeing or understanding any alternate views or sources. In fact, a couple of decades ago, when Fox News called itself “fair and balanced,” leftists insisted that Fox was extremely right-wing biased just for presenting views other than the left’s. Just watching Fox could get a leftist shunned by his leftist friends. Many on the right have noted that Fox is less balanced in recent years and leans toward the left. Fox is the farthest right that we have in America as a major news source, and since it is the closest we have to balanced, then we Americans don’t have a national news source that is right-leaning. Instead, we have to search out sources that have fewer resources in order to get a variety of alternate angles, and the limited resources means that they are limited in what they can cover as news.

With the American mainstream news media providing only one viewpoint and using biased adjectives, such as “fascist,” “Nazi,” “literally Hitler,” how can leftists avoid thinking that the targeted right-wingers should be assassinated before they are elected (or reelected) president or otherwise do something that the lofty people of the left disagree with? The value of life has been reduced in the minds of these leftists. Thus, a majority of left-wingers feel that it is OK to assassinate Trump, Musk, random executives, police officers, and everyone else that they disagree with. And innocent unborn babies who are mere inconveniences to their mothers.

What virtuous values the left has.

https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

The far left thought doxxing was fun when they did it to the right.

Ah, yes. The good old projection. Just because you would reject my links and Robert‘s links, you believe that I — and obviously Robert — would reject yours, so why would you bother giving yours? Maybe Robert won’t reject yours. Either way, you put a standard on Robert to share his links, but you have no similar standard to meet. Somehow that seems unfair. Maybe I have that wrong, and it is fair, but that is the kind of thing that leftists do all the time.

“This mischaracterizes what I wrote.”

To quote you:
“You continue to blame all Democrats for the murderous action of one person.”
And that is what I said you said:
“saying that it is despicable, disgusting, and deranged to suggest that the left may have influenced any killer”
Not all “killers,” not more than one killer, but any killer — meaning one person. How is that mischaracterization? Have the Democrats suddenly become not left?
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Lee S,
You wrote: “You watch mostly right wing news sources.”

Right-wing news sources are hard to find, here in America. We watch mostly left-wing news and have to try to figure out what is true and what is misleading or an outright lie. Leftists take it all as truth, but we have to do our research to find the real truth.

“Preaching that anyone left of yourselves are complicent with murder is not helping anyone or anything.”

Nice of you to defend the guilty. If we are to solve a problem, then we have to identify the problem. The problem is definitely on the left, believing that it is OK to assassinate Trump, Musk, random executives, and everyone else that they disagree with.

What would help, Lee, is if you tried to figure out how to stop the left-wing from being violent, murderous, evildoers. Complaining that we have identified that your side of politics is the problem is not helping anyone or anything.

“There are no doubt other democrat leaning readers here, but it’s not easy being a lefty and posting here.”

Try living in a culture completely dominated by Democrats and leftists. Oh, that’s right, you do! And they all agree with you, so you live a life without the kind of disagreement that we live every day. No wonder you get upset when we don’t agree with you. You live in agreement. You soak in it.

You only have to put up with us disagreeing with you when you bravely make political comments here, but we live among people who won’t even tolerate disagreement. You still get to make your viewpoint known to us, here on BTB, but many of us are shunned when we disagree with the people we have to live and work around. We will pay attention to your view, and then we will tell you why we disagree. You find that to be disagreeable, and then you complain that we didn’t agree with you. You don’t even want to know why we disagree.

At least you don’t shun us. Thank you for that.

“The right will no doubt win, you guys own the majority of the guns, but ask yourselves what exactly will you have won? A one party state? That smells a little like a dictatorship”

I already live in a one-party state and have for at least a decade. Yes, California is a lot like a dictatorship, and people are fleeing by the million. Having guns is no guarantee of winning this kind of civil war. California proves that point.

The left likes to think that the right will use their guns on them (the left). Again, that is projection. Just because leftists would, and all too often do, use guns on the people that they disagree with does not mean that right-wingers would do so, and they rarely do. Once again, California proves that the right doesn’t murder or riot, even when the left steals a whole state out from under us.

“( the friends I come to visit over there are republican.. we occasionally discuss politics, but agree to disagree… We have been friends for over 40 years and will remain so for the rest of our lives )”

See, I don’t know whether to believe you or not. You don’t believe me when I tell you my personal experiences, but I am supposed to believe yours. Are you projecting yet again? Somehow that seems unfair. Maybe I have that wrong, and it is fair, but that is the kind of thing that leftists over here do all the time. I would call it a double standard, but leftists over here have no actual standards, just a requirement that everything always go their way, like three-year-olds.

You may not be agreeing to disagree with us, but we have stated many times that we don’t think you will ever agree with us. We here on BTB have agreed to disagree, so if there is not a mutual agreement then it is you who do not agree to disagree.

And see how your Republican friends are not so quick to shun you but are perfectly willing to remain your friends, even when you disagree? We don’t get that kindness from American leftists.

“Calm heads and clear eyes are needed right now… Hating thy neighbor over politics smacks more than a little of 1930s Germany”

And that is a big difference between the left-wing and the right-wing. The left interprets any disagreement as hatred, but the right interprets disagreement as disagreement. You, Lee, are seeing disagreement as hatred. We may be angry that a leftist murdered one of our heroes, merely because he disagreed with the murderer’s beliefs, and we may blame the left’s culture of stochastic violence, but anger and accusation are not the same as hatred.

In fact, it is leftist hatred against the right that leads to such assassinations, to violent (mostly peaceful, in the left’s parlance) protests, and to projections of hatred.

By the way, if you think that 1930s Germany, Nazi Germany, was right wing, please be aware that the Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The Nazis were not as right-wing as people try to make them out to be. Fascism controls businesses in ways that marxists don’t, but they heavily regulate business and commerce. It is almost the perfect socialist system, because if the business fails from all the overregulation, the owner, not the government, gets the blame. Not so dumb as they looked, those fascists. However, the Nazis did like the American Democratic Party’s fascination with eugenics, adapting it where they thought it did them some good. The Nazis and the American Democrats got along, up until Germany declared war on America.

“My link is to The Guardian, which while being an extremely factually correct news agency, certainly has a left leaning bias in its reporting”

Well, factually correct makes it sound as though you think this source may lie by omission. Maybe everything they say is factual, but do they leave out parts in order to mislead the readership? How can a news agency lean in one direction if it is being completely truthful? Does it leave out important right-wing viewpoints in its stories? Does it choose to do only stories that make the left look good and ignore the ones that would favor the right? Is your devotion to this one left-leaning news source the reason that you see things from a leftist point of view? Are you sure you even understand the right-wing point of view? Because you seem to miss our viewpoint all the time.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/13/business/charlie-kirk-death-fired-comments
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/amy-curtis/2025/09/13/dave-rubin-cenk-uygur-posts-sat-n2663267

Doug, what are you talking about here?

”This didn’t age well.”

Fancy a weekend in Stockholm? I would love to shoot the poop with you over a beer and some Swedish meatballs!

@Cotour… Quote “You make believe you are a Socialist and that being so you are unable to understand what it is that you actually promote and attempt to discuss.

You consider yourself a Socialist but you in fact exist and work in a privately owned Capitalist system where private property dominates.’

Really, I hope you are self aware enough to realize that your first paragraph here makes zero sense, but that’s fine… Expected even.

Second paragraph…. Of course I understand I am a socialist living in a capitalist world…. What exactly have I said that would make you think any different? … I use my vote, and my voice ( as I am here ) to express my opinions and beliefs. I believe that is called freedom of speech… And democracy…

Come to Sweden for a few days… I will give you board and lodging and you can experience a truly life changing view on how society can function… WAY outside your US centric comfort zone ( This offer stands for any of the regulars here )… Other outlooks on life are available…

I genuinely mean this offer… Anyone here that fancies a couple of days in pinko commie Stockholm… You get the flights and I’ll fix you up with a hotel, and meals, and you will have me as your personal guide to a beautiful city with a political system you can’t comprehend.

First come… First served.

Lee S: Your faith in the Guardian is as mistaken as your love of socialism. This “extremely factually correct news agency” today decided to retract its report that the killer of Kirk was a leftist, even though numerous sources have confirmed it, including the Utah governor.

It appears there is now an effort by these leftists to deny what they said before, in order to obscure Robinson’s associations with the left. And of course, the Guardian is glad to go along.

There are no doubt other democrat leaning readers here, but it’s not easy being a lefty and posting here. One tends to be “informed” of ones stupidity and given a long lecture why one is wrong, usually by folks who have never encountered anything different from their own little bubble. At least that is my experience over the last… What… 15 years?

I have explained my political views ad nauseam over the years… I am mostly left.. as are most ( but certainly not all ) of my friends… Birds of a feather and suchlike, and not one of us have any urgency to pick up a gun.

This is certainly the case over there also… As I said in my previous post, if you consider almost 50% of the US population to be murderous beasts, you should prepare yourself for the next civil war, and consider your bastion of democracy over. The right will no doubt win, you guys own the majority of the guns, but ask yourselves what exactly will you have won? A one party state? That smells a little like a dictatorship… Trump will approve.

It is natural to pavlovianly hate all democrats in this situation when looking from the far right position held by most of the posters here… But all democrats don’t deserve to be painted with the same brush, just as neither do all republicans ( the friends I come to visit over there are republican.. we occasionally discuss politics, but agree to disagree… We have been friends for over 40 years and will remain so for the rest of our lives )

I will repeat myself… Calm heads and clear eyes are needed right now… Hating thy neighbor over politics smacks more than a little of 1930s Germany, America, you are better than that.

Things are kicking off back in the UK also… 100,000 far right VS 5000 leftist protestors… I know where I would be dancing, but I share this in the name of impartiality… You might hate me… But I don’t hate you .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/13/uk-politics-latest-news-unite-the-kingdom-march-far-right-rally-london-labour-keir-starmer?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

D. Messier: So now that my instincts about the killer have been proven utterly true, what do you have to say now about my post? It seems you are avoiding the main issue of the present evil within the Democratic Party and the left, which only proves my point even more forcefully.

This mischaracterizes what I wrote. Bob jumped to a conclusion that it was a Democrat who killed Kirk. This was before authorities had any idea of who killed him and why.

Sources? I could give you a dozen sources on any subject, and you’d reject them.