1. First the likes of LARAZA would become leading forces of such a move and probably drive them to rejoin Mexico creating Mexifornia or some hybrib like country.

2. At that point the narco terrorists would take over and our border that is their gateway to cash flow would grow substantially.

3. Then eventually the United States would have to invade the now extremely corrupt Mexifornia and the killing would resemble Mexico today X’s 100.

For the American people and the inhabitants of California to allow this to happen would be a surrendering to the forces of Leftist and Globalist evil. It would be better for the Federal government to determine that the governer and government of California were subversive, which he and they are, and “Peacefully” invade the state and deal with what they have right now.

Better to accomplish most all of this in the court room then having to ultimately invade our own country and dispatch those who need dispatching.

This is how the insane Left has been allowed to push our conversation on this subject. Really a disgrace.

Commodus: I am very aware of the negative consequences of the Civil War (the long term concentration of power to the federal government). Despite this, it was still the right thing to do, at the time. It ended slavery, and probably led to more prosperity for everyone, in both the north and the south, for more than a hundred years.

The problems caused by that action however are what we face today. In our situation, it might very well make better sense to let California go. I suspect if the state tried to secede, many parts would refuse to go with the coastal areas and the state would be split up (a positive thing regardless). The result would likely help reverse the trends started by the Civil War, allowing a decentralization of power back to the states. It would also likely end up with the seceding sections eventually begging to be allowed to return, as their wealth and prosperity will be diminished by the secession.

The Left controls most levers of power in our society, and I see no way to reclaim much of the USA from there clutches.

Fracturing and secession should be the program of those who want some type of traditional society.

But then you are a fan of Lincoln and his unnecessary war. Boomer cuckservative politics have had their day. I’m afraid your arguments and positions are just not that compelling.

I don’t care what color he is. He is a standup, courageous, Constitutional man who has not forgotten his oath. I’d want to know more before I voted for him for President, but his character is not in question and that goes a long way in my book.

https://youtu.be/8qe13jjxADE

If you are not familiar with the context of the first questioners question relating to Mr. West’s departure from the Army, then I suggest that you familiarize yourself on the subject.

Allen West, a true leader, unconfused about what America is, and more importantly what America is not.

This is true but in many ways our ancestors were rough around the edges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTI_–_Lingua_Tertii_Imperii

That said, I’m not against acronyms. They have their places, provided a knowledgeable audience is around.

At one point I had a manual on my desk, 3″ think, with the definitions of all acronyms used by the branches of the military.

Typing out the entire word makes for better communication.

Mark Smith: If “constitutional circles” is supposed to mean the legal profession, then that explains some of the fuzzy bad legal decisions we’ve seen in recent years. The Constitution, the Supreme Court, and the President were perfectly clear and understandable words for more than two centuries. Suddenly we need to obscure their meaning with pointless acronyms that don’t even save us much typing.

Ian C. In this case the acronym is entirely pointless and only contributes to foggy thinking. The word “Constitution” would have been very clear and to the point. COTUS is a blob, with no meaning.

Had to look that up myself. Perhaps write uncommon acronyms in full the first time they’re used.

Mark Smith: What is COTUS?

I should add a rule that demands commenters minimize the use of acronyms whenever possible. Interferes with good communications, and good writing.

And then they self righteously do the same in their new environment.

It is a vicious cycle that is vicious.

The Left has worked for decades to divorce actions from consequences, and have been successful to the point that Americans do not understand how representative government works. Economic and political circumstances are presented as things that ‘just happen’, or nefarious schemes perpetrated by ‘others’, and the people have no control over them. The only recourse is to vote for people favored by the Left and mass media, so they can save us all.

This is not true. But as the Left works rapidly to consolidate power and close avenues for self-representation, it will become true. I do not think this window will be open too very much longer.

I do not discount the forethought of these power brokers.

Now, with the Jeffrey Epstein death, way more people are seeing an apparent pattern. Will this help change the opinion of the American voter? The folk in Portal AZ (or other leftist based communities) will not change regardless of what happens; it is in their muddled thought processes.

Trump with Jewish family ties, must really represent the worst democrat nightmare.

Will we see a change in the voting patterns of the Jewish Americans? I certainly hope so. When all nations are against Israel, that means time is near it’s end IMHO.

On California contributions to Trump, isn’t California the state with the most Republicans? And Democrats are still split in their support because its the primaries.

That’s my observation. Am I right?

https://youtu.be/1g7i6xvE07U

The Left must have racism, because that is all they have.

Racism and lying about racism and everything else.

This all goes my point about respect and “love”.

I think you do not “Love” me, so you must hate me because I am different from you. You hate my skin color, you hate my eye color, you hate me because I am a woman, blah, blah, blah.

Why do I adore Cadice Owens? Why do I revere Thomas Sowel, a former Marxist now “woke” Conservative and revealer of the lie that is Liberal thinking and politics? Why do I admire and would in a second vote for a president Allen West? I believe they are all black the last time I checked.

AOC must be “hated” by someone, some group of people so she can justify her political agenda and indoctrinated beliefs. Plain and simple. Nothing new here, it just comes in a very cute package now.

(She gets cuter every time I see her, I have plainly stated that from the jump. Why do I find you cuter every time I see you AOC? If I am racist then would that not be a paradoxical and irrational thing for me to feel about you if I hate you and am racist? Total BS, she and her fellow travelers are the racists)

Apparently the ignorant creatures of the left have never heard of a nation ruling an individual, “Personae Non Grata”.

I hope Bibi does it. It would make a good statement about who these miserable creatures of the American Left really are.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/petition-to-recall-california-gov-gavin-newsom/

This guy Newsom is quite the anti American Leftist nut job, sees himself I am certain as a presidential figure. Loves, loves, loves himself.