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		By: wodun		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks. 

I haven&#039;t read the OST but have read a lot of back and forth on it with opposing sides using the same quotes but differing over what they mean. Both sides have good arguments about whether or not it applies to just nations or to individuals as well.

I admit that I am rooting for the loophole position but if our government doesn&#039;t support that view, it looks like space cadet advocates have a single issue they could all rally behind before they can pursue their individual interests.

Private property rights are one of the things that has lead to the success of the USA. It is important that our views on property become the dominant ones in space, at least for us anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read the OST but have read a lot of back and forth on it with opposing sides using the same quotes but differing over what they mean. Both sides have good arguments about whether or not it applies to just nations or to individuals as well.</p>
<p>I admit that I am rooting for the loophole position but if our government doesn&#8217;t support that view, it looks like space cadet advocates have a single issue they could all rally behind before they can pursue their individual interests.</p>
<p>Private property rights are one of the things that has lead to the success of the USA. It is important that our views on property become the dominant ones in space, at least for us anyway.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mainstream-media-outlet-notices-possible-news/#comment-830927&quot;&gt;wodun&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. The new law says the mined material will belong to Americans who mine it, except if such mining and possession should happen to violate international law. Which it does, according to the Outer Space Treaty. In other words, the new law is a feel good piece of nothing.

However, the new law does do one thing: It states the sense of Congress and the United States, that Americans should have property rights in space, and that the Outer Space Treaty prevents this. As I noted, the new law is thus the first step towards getting the U.S. out of the Outer Space treaty, something I endorse heartily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mainstream-media-outlet-notices-possible-news/#comment-830927">wodun</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. The new law says the mined material will belong to Americans who mine it, except if such mining and possession should happen to violate international law. Which it does, according to the Outer Space Treaty. In other words, the new law is a feel good piece of nothing.</p>
<p>However, the new law does do one thing: It states the sense of Congress and the United States, that Americans should have property rights in space, and that the Outer Space Treaty prevents this. As I noted, the new law is thus the first step towards getting the U.S. out of the Outer Space treaty, something I endorse heartily.</p>
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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess I should have clicked over because they did find some space lawyers to talk to. 

Near as I can tell from reading various articles about this is that the debate centers around whether or not the OST is in conflict with this new act that allows US citizens to have property rights over materials obtained from asteroids but not the asteroids themselves. 

The Space Resource Exploration and Utilization Act includes this passage that is linked from the article, 

&quot;“§ 51303. Asteroid resource and space resource rights

“A United States citizen engaged in commercial recovery of an asteroid resource or a space resource under this chapter shall be entitled to any asteroid resource or space resource obtained, including to possess, own, transport, use, and sell the asteroid resource or space resource obtained in accordance with applicable law, including the international obligations of the United States.”.&quot;

It does grant US citizens property rights over resources obtained. And the article makes the distinction between rights to asteroids and what is taken from them. 

The previous section, § 51302, does exactly what you said by demanding the executive branch support and report. 

I am not sure if § 51302(b)(1) is asking the executive to determine if § 51303 is a violation of international agreements. If it is, then the executive could simply say § 51303 is in violation of the OST and then § 51303 would be void due to other language in the bill saying all of this has to be in compliance with our international agreements. Or if the executive doesn&#039;t say § 51303 is in violation of the OST, it is asking for justification for why it isn&#039;t.

 &quot;(1) the authorities necessary to meet the international obligations of the United States, including authorization and continuing supervision by the Federal Government; and&quot;

To me, and I am no lawyer, it looks like it does grant property rights over resources obtained but contingent on the executive deciding this doesn&#039;t violate any agreements and that the executive provide a legal defense of why this is the case. Or maybe I read it all wrong.

Is section § 51302(b)(1) what you were talking about when you said there was no actual property rights given?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should have clicked over because they did find some space lawyers to talk to. </p>
<p>Near as I can tell from reading various articles about this is that the debate centers around whether or not the OST is in conflict with this new act that allows US citizens to have property rights over materials obtained from asteroids but not the asteroids themselves. </p>
<p>The Space Resource Exploration and Utilization Act includes this passage that is linked from the article, </p>
<p>&#8220;“§ 51303. Asteroid resource and space resource rights</p>
<p>“A United States citizen engaged in commercial recovery of an asteroid resource or a space resource under this chapter shall be entitled to any asteroid resource or space resource obtained, including to possess, own, transport, use, and sell the asteroid resource or space resource obtained in accordance with applicable law, including the international obligations of the United States.”.&#8221;</p>
<p>It does grant US citizens property rights over resources obtained. And the article makes the distinction between rights to asteroids and what is taken from them. </p>
<p>The previous section, § 51302, does exactly what you said by demanding the executive branch support and report. </p>
<p>I am not sure if § 51302(b)(1) is asking the executive to determine if § 51303 is a violation of international agreements. If it is, then the executive could simply say § 51303 is in violation of the OST and then § 51303 would be void due to other language in the bill saying all of this has to be in compliance with our international agreements. Or if the executive doesn&#8217;t say § 51303 is in violation of the OST, it is asking for justification for why it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p> &#8220;(1) the authorities necessary to meet the international obligations of the United States, including authorization and continuing supervision by the Federal Government; and&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, and I am no lawyer, it looks like it does grant property rights over resources obtained but contingent on the executive deciding this doesn&#8217;t violate any agreements and that the executive provide a legal defense of why this is the case. Or maybe I read it all wrong.</p>
<p>Is section § 51302(b)(1) what you were talking about when you said there was no actual property rights given?</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mainstream-media-outlet-notices-possible-news/#comment-830278&quot;&gt;wodun&lt;/a&gt;.

You don&#039;t need a space law lawyer to read the law. &lt;a href=&quot;http://pri.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/HR2262ANS.7S.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The new space law&lt;/a&gt; [pdf] is written in plain English and is quite easy to understand. Reporters just don&#039;t bother to read it, and instead spend time quoting opposing opinions from so-called &quot;experts&quot; whose only real goal is to spin the debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mainstream-media-outlet-notices-possible-news/#comment-830278">wodun</a>.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need a space law lawyer to read the law. <a href="http://pri.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/HR2262ANS.7S.pdf" rel="nofollow">The new space law</a> [pdf] is written in plain English and is quite easy to understand. Reporters just don&#8217;t bother to read it, and instead spend time quoting opposing opinions from so-called &#8220;experts&#8221; whose only real goal is to spin the debate.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless the reporter is a space cadet, they will probably have a hard time tracking down a space law lawyer. The top google search is a headline that looks like it was written about a squatch hunt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the reporter is a space cadet, they will probably have a hard time tracking down a space law lawyer. The top google search is a headline that looks like it was written about a squatch hunt.</p>
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