<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: Mars is not dry!	</title>
	<atom:link href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:35:42 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4</generator>
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1607755</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1607755</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[More on the subject
https://phys.org/news/2025-07-ancient-river-reveal-mars-wetter.html

&quot;The discovery of more than 15,000 kilometers of ancient riverbeds on Mars suggests that the Red Planet may once have been much wetter than previously thought.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the subject<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2025-07-ancient-river-reveal-mars-wetter.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2025-07-ancient-river-reveal-mars-wetter.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The discovery of more than 15,000 kilometers of ancient riverbeds on Mars suggests that the Red Planet may once have been much wetter than previously thought.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 03:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606441</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606435&quot;&gt;agimarc&lt;/a&gt;.

agimarc: Yes, I think momentum is also part of the problem. Many scientists have tunnel vision, and are not aware of the larger global picture coming out the orbiters.

Because I am not focused on specific research projects, I look at all the research being done, which gives me a wider perspective.

I shouldn&#039;t however be the only space journalist with this perspective. Yet is seems so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606435">agimarc</a>.</p>
<p>agimarc: Yes, I think momentum is also part of the problem. Many scientists have tunnel vision, and are not aware of the larger global picture coming out the orbiters.</p>
<p>Because I am not focused on specific research projects, I look at all the research being done, which gives me a wider perspective.</p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t however be the only space journalist with this perspective. Yet is seems so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: agimarc		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606435</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agimarc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606435</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[A hypothetical for Steve and Our Host, why is Mars water being ignored?

Momentum.  Simple momentum.  Same reason that Ivermectin was ignored, eventually actively suppressed.  Not only does it conflict with whatever the Accepted Solution at the time is, it challenges whatever the Powers That Be have determined it to be.  Demonstrate they are wrong and they are unemployed.  Think continental drift or catastrophic changes on Earth in the past.  Both were ignored until all the old scientists died off.  We are living it once again.  Cheers -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hypothetical for Steve and Our Host, why is Mars water being ignored?</p>
<p>Momentum.  Simple momentum.  Same reason that Ivermectin was ignored, eventually actively suppressed.  Not only does it conflict with whatever the Accepted Solution at the time is, it challenges whatever the Powers That Be have determined it to be.  Demonstrate they are wrong and they are unemployed.  Think continental drift or catastrophic changes on Earth in the past.  Both were ignored until all the old scientists died off.  We are living it once again.  Cheers &#8211;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Mike Hayes		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606350</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2025 13:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606350</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure that the Climate Cargo Cult would like better to be describing Mars as a world that was &quot;once like Earth, before the bad stuff started happening like what&#039;s happening on Earth now from burning fossil fuels. Will our beautiful Earth become a hellhole like Venus, or a desert planet like Mars?&quot; ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that the Climate Cargo Cult would like better to be describing Mars as a world that was &#8220;once like Earth, before the bad stuff started happening like what&#8217;s happening on Earth now from burning fossil fuels. Will our beautiful Earth become a hellhole like Venus, or a desert planet like Mars?&#8221; </p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2025 02:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606225</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[This new interstellar visitor is to pass near Mars.

There is a probe called the Trace Gas Orbiter (TGO) in Mars&#039;s orbit.

Might it be able to gradually lift itself like Bereshete such that it can get near this new hyperbolic object?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This new interstellar visitor is to pass near Mars.</p>
<p>There is a probe called the Trace Gas Orbiter (TGO) in Mars&#8217;s orbit.</p>
<p>Might it be able to gradually lift itself like Bereshete such that it can get near this new hyperbolic object?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Doctor Mist		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doctor Mist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 20:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606094</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Just hope they don’t find oil! Mars programs would be shut down forever…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just hope they don’t find oil! Mars programs would be shut down forever…</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 19:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606091</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[You broke the code Justin--they want us back in the caves with Alley Oop]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You broke the code Justin&#8211;they want us back in the caves with Alley Oop</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Justin Stanchfield		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Stanchfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606070</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Just a casual observer and not a scientist, but I truly believe there is an anti-colonialization bias among many in government and education as well. The environmental movement has such a stranglehold among the upper echelons that the prevailing thought has become &quot;we have already destroyed our planet, we must never allow that to happen to another planet,&quot; neither of which is true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a casual observer and not a scientist, but I truly believe there is an anti-colonialization bias among many in government and education as well. The environmental movement has such a stranglehold among the upper echelons that the prevailing thought has become &#8220;we have already destroyed our planet, we must never allow that to happen to another planet,&#8221; neither of which is true.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Phil Wil		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606054</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Wil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 14:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606054</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Map shows why I favor Phelegra Montes area for SpaceX landings. Lots of readily water ice and very visually interesting surrounding topography/scenery. Who wants a Mars settlement in the middle of a flat, uninspiring desert?

https://www.planet.geo.fu-berlin.de/eng/projects/mars/hrsc531-PhlegraMontes.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Map shows why I favor Phelegra Montes area for SpaceX landings. Lots of readily water ice and very visually interesting surrounding topography/scenery. Who wants a Mars settlement in the middle of a flat, uninspiring desert?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.planet.geo.fu-berlin.de/eng/projects/mars/hrsc531-PhlegraMontes.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.planet.geo.fu-berlin.de/eng/projects/mars/hrsc531-PhlegraMontes.php</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: MjM		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1606045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MjM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1606045</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I’m not saying there is or isn’t, but….

“Only one lander, Phoenix, has ever been successfully dropped far from the Martian equator, and it was purposely sent to a very high latitude, where it proved there was ice present just below the surface.”

From NASA:

“On May 31, the robotic arm scooped up dirt and began sampling Martian soil for ice. By June 19, mission scientists were able to conclude that clumps of bright material in the “DodoGoldilocks” trench dug by the robotic arm were probably water ice – the material had vaporized four days after the scoop.”

Probably  Proved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not saying there is or isn’t, but….</p>
<p>“Only one lander, Phoenix, has ever been successfully dropped far from the Martian equator, and it was purposely sent to a very high latitude, where it proved there was ice present just below the surface.”</p>
<p>From NASA:</p>
<p>“On May 31, the robotic arm scooped up dirt and began sampling Martian soil for ice. By June 19, mission scientists were able to conclude that clumps of bright material in the “DodoGoldilocks” trench dug by the robotic arm were probably water ice – the material had vaporized four days after the scoop.”</p>
<p>Probably  Proved.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1605652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2025 22:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1605652</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I remember JPL announcing they found water on Mars for the fifty-eleventh time hoping for the same level of interest they had during Sojourner in the 1990&#039;s, when about all we had were shuttle, Delta IIs and Dan Goldin...yuck!

We had space fever, but no Elon.

That&#039;s flipped]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember JPL announcing they found water on Mars for the fifty-eleventh time hoping for the same level of interest they had during Sojourner in the 1990&#8217;s, when about all we had were shuttle, Delta IIs and Dan Goldin&#8230;yuck!</p>
<p>We had space fever, but no Elon.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s flipped</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1605581</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2025 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1605581</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1605573&quot;&gt;Steve&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve: I consider two reasons for this: 1. Ignorance. Modern reporters and PR departments and even a lot of Mars scientists are not up-to-date on the larger science context on Mars. They just repeat the old tropes out of habit.

2. Money. As you say, overstating Mars&#039; dryness makes their story more dramatic, and encourages funding. This is comparable to NASA&#039;s constant lying that Perseverance is searching for life on Mars. It is merely a shallow selling point that sounds good, but is divorced from reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1605573">Steve</a>.</p>
<p>Steve: I consider two reasons for this: 1. Ignorance. Modern reporters and PR departments and even a lot of Mars scientists are not up-to-date on the larger science context on Mars. They just repeat the old tropes out of habit.</p>
<p>2. Money. As you say, overstating Mars&#8217; dryness makes their story more dramatic, and encourages funding. This is comparable to NASA&#8217;s constant lying that Perseverance is searching for life on Mars. It is merely a shallow selling point that sounds good, but is divorced from reality.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/mars-is-not-dry/#comment-1605573</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2025 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://behindtheblack.com/?p=115291#comment-1605573</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[That poses the question of why. Why is the data indicating water ice being ignored? Your thoughts, Mr Z.

Typically I would say follow the money. Research grant money? Exploration vehicle grant money?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That poses the question of why. Why is the data indicating water ice being ignored? Your thoughts, Mr Z.</p>
<p>Typically I would say follow the money. Research grant money? Exploration vehicle grant money?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
