Comments on: NASA has chosen Boeing and SpaceX to build manned spacecraft to ferry crews to ISS https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/ Thu, 18 Sep 2014 05:48:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Steve C https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-301447 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 05:48:46 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-301447 In reply to Abe Windsor.

We talk about the emergency escape system of spacecraft, but what is the emergency escape system of a 747? A proven safety record you say? OK, a Ford Trimotor then. As with the old sailing ships, your life belongs to the ship. You live or die with it.

]]> By: geoffc https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-300881 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:20:46 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-300881 In reply to Robert Zimmerman.

Live test of the abort system, with humans aboard was the context.

Live test of a SUCCESSFUL launch to the ISS of course.

]]> By: Robert Zimmerman https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-300709 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:45:21 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-300709 In reply to geoffc.

According to statements made at the press conference, a live demo mission to ISS is exactly what NASA has in mind for certification.

]]> By: Kelly Starks https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-300639 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:45:26 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-300639 In reply to Doug.

;)
Serious suck-uppage going on there.

]]> By: geoffc https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-300635 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:33:20 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-300635 In reply to Steve C.

I do not think a ‘live’ test is what NASA has in mind for certifications…

]]> By: Abe Windsor https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299836 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 04:01:28 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299836 Only the Columbia, only her first test flights had an ejection system that might
have saved two pilots max. Never tested.
Ascent and decent destruction events proved the Shuttle a fail not safe
system….. Orginal design provided for the crew capsule to be an emergency
escape pod . . . To expensive and heavy to build was the decision.
Results we all now know…………

AB

]]> By: Steve C https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299732 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 02:58:37 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299732 In reply to geoffc.

The Soyuz went through the test of having a rocket explode on the pad under a maned capsule. The escape system worked.

]]> By: geoffc https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299626 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 02:00:37 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299626 In reply to Doug.

Not saying they did not test Apollo (I am saying they did not test the Shuttle). But the standards they are holding Commercial crew too, could Shuttle, Soyuz, or Apollo pass? Did they pass?

]]> By: Doug https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299592 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:01:09 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299592 Apollo went through several tests of the launch escape system. Including one test that showed just how well it worked.

The booster fell apart and the escape system worked perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqeJzItldSQ

]]> By: Edward https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299589 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:39:22 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299589 I hope that Sierra Nevada continues its development, just as Blue Horizon has done. I suspect that once there is a lot of access to low Earth orbit via such space taxis, the Bigelow space habitats will be very popular alternative space stations to the ISS.

One of the problems with doing experiments on the ISS is that NASA insists that the data become public in five years, which gives a company a short period of time to develop its idea before the rest of the world can benefit from that company’s expensive research program.

Another benefit of Bigelow space stations is that non-spacefaring countries can create their own space programs by buying, leasing, or renting-space-on a habitat and performing their own research. Some combination of SpaceX, Boeing, Sierra Nevada, and Blue Horizon would be available to taxi various countries’, companies, and universities’ astronauts to those space stations.

The idea of space hotels for rich tourists, such as Sarah Brightman, would still be a likely destination for these space taxis.

With each step toward the completion of the commercial space program, I get more excited that we may finally realize some of the dreams, ideas, and plans that the US had for space, half a century ago.

]]> By: geoffc https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299574 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:57:50 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299574 Two questions to ask:
1) ISS policy is to have a spare docking/berthing port available for berthing/docking ops. There are two CBM’s (so one cargo craft at a time) and 2 PMA’s (will get IDA/NDS adapters to allow Dragon/CST-100). So if they do a lifeboat mission, it will tie up one port for 180 days, which means no other manned US missions till it is done. Do they plan on more PMA’s?

2) Per the safety standards they are following, did Soyuz ever go through them? How about the Shuttle? How about Apollo? (We know the answer is no, but it would be nice to hear them admit it and the hypocrisy of suddenly becoming safety conscious.)

]]> By: Doug https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299533 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:06:37 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299533 In reply to Kelly Starks.

If he said “President Obama’s vision” one more time, I was going to puke

]]> By: Kelly Starks https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/nasa-has-chosen-boeing-and-spacex-to-build-manned-spacecraft-to-ferry-crews-to-iss/#comment-299529 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:04:42 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=30869#comment-299529 Weird non announcement? Never really came out and said the winners are — just as Bolden was going on about how cool Orion and CCDev were going to be mentioned how the Boeing and SpaceX teams were expected to….

It almost seemed like the announcement of the winners had already gone out, and was just mentions as a aside in this presentation?

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