Although I cannot prove it, I am convinced that it is the latter case. Andrew_W is a New Zealander, so it may only be that he has trouble with American English.

gmmay70: I do hope you stick around.

“No gmmay70, you made claims connecting models and “maximum social distancing”,

The information I provided you proves this simple gainsaying demonstrably false. Again, you either didn’t read it or don’t understand plain language English.

“there is no connection, the term “maximum social distancing” is nonsense you made up in that regard – and then hunted it out on google to enable you to furnish a (pathetic) excuse.

Yes, I’m in league with two different heads of state to set up some internet pedant in a gotcha pattern. Good work, Sport.

“The evidence you provided was that you’re incapable of understanding your own links.”

Speaking of “pathetic”, this is simply more evidence of your complete lack of intellectual curiosity, or capacity.

“No, the point is that what you claim was incorrect. Employing an accusation of pedantry is just combining an admission you were wrong with an appeal that it didn’t really matter that you were wrong.”

The old Monty Python Argument sketch wasn’t an instruction manual, Champ. It was my first time here, so thanks for revealing who the local troll is.

Your context is the initiatives taken by politicians, those initiatives were imposed using the powers of government but those actions were at the behest of politicians.

I’m the first person who’ll talk about the problems that government monopoly causes in terms of poor efficiency and the staff being in control. but that is not the case with the response to covid-19, these actions are orchestrated and directed by politicians, those politicians are in competition with other politicians, and in the US that level of competition is amongst the most intense in the world.

So yes, you’re right, your context is important, and it’s you that wants to change that context half way through the discussion.

“TradeGuru Evan”, author of the linked article, is mistaken to believe that “100% complete” means the recent data isn’t still provisional. As described by CDC:
Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period.

Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

CDC hasn’t yet updated their figures for weeks 13 and 14, but those for earlier weeks have been revised upward. Here are the changes since the article posted:
Week 12: 48,488 -> 51,602 (+3,114)
Week 11: 50,785 -> 52,198 (+1,413)
Week 10: 53,463 -> 54,157 (+694)
Week 09: 54,268 -> 54,834 (+566)

Expect the end of March figures — the basis of article’s claims — to be revised upward over the next few weeks. It won’t be for another month or so until we can use their data to consider the claims put forward here.

Did you even read my comment? Are you incapable of understanding context? Political parties are not governments.

You say the most amazing things, and I don’t mean that in a complimentary way.

“The Livingston County Department of Health reports (…) the reclassification of a case reported as new earlier this week that is now considered a re-infection. (…) The county Department of Health is now reporting this as a single case, rather than two, Rodriguez said. All future positive cases that involve reinfection will be reported in the same manner, Rodriguez said. (…) This first case of reinfection had been reported as a positive and then a recovered before the individual tested positive a second time. There was two weeks between the time the person was deemed recovered and then tested positive, (…) A person is considered recovered when they have gone seven days without symptoms of COVID-19 and be free of symptoms without the aid of a fever reducer, Rodriguez said.”

https://www.thelcn.com/news/local/livingston-county-reports-2-new-covid-19-cases-1-reinfection/article_f4255ff3-71df-572a-af8a-23785a8eeffb.html

Of course, the test kit (that said negative) could have been dysfunctional. Wouldn’t surprise me, many such occurrences. But then I’ll reference you the hundreds of reinfection cases from China, Japan, Italy etc. (Reminds me of the math joke: “And thus x is true.” “I’ve found a contradiction.” “Doesn’t matter, I have three more proofs.”)

BtB’s hits have been soaring the past two months.

That reminds me to mention that half of the time I cannot reach your site (have to wait around ten seconds to try again, then it works) and the other half it loads rather slowly. Since late March. Today it dawned to me that you might be under a DOS attack, but if the growth is organic, then congrats, it’s well earned.

GWB wrote, “Panic gets eyeballs. It gets clicks.”

Well, I am not panicking, nor am I selling panic, to put it mildly, and BtB’s hits have been soaring the past two months. Maybe common sense and rationality appeals just as much.

Hell yeah, I’m going to march into that booth and vote for the guy who can’t remember what state he’s in or which office he’s running for!

overly emotional and partisan press willing to say any lie in order to attack Donald Trump
While attacking Trump is certainly part of it, an even bigger factor is quite simply that panic gets eyeballs. It gets clicks. It even manages to sell a few real newspapers. Panic, fear, destruction, cats and dogs living together – those things SELL. So, every pronouncement of doom gets “front page” treatment, while every bit of “don’t worry” gets relegated to as far back from “page one” as possible – unless, of course, it can be turned into an attack on the “idiots” proclaiming such.

wayne
April 20, 2020 at 5:31 am
Billybob 9–
What pray tell, are you talking about?
QFT

Business is in business for the benefit of their owners. Pleasing the customer is only the means to that end. If the customer finds too little benefit to buying from that business, he goes elsewhere, so enlightened self interest makes sure that each business provides enough benefit for its customers to keep them and others as customers.

Competition requires that each business find ways to provide the same benefit for a lower price or better benefits for the same price. Profit is the reward for finding this efficiency.

Government has little competition, so it can shut down businesses, as we see this month, without much fear of retribution. There is not much pressure on governments to benefit their populations. So far, there has been too little pushback on these devastating shutdowns and lockdowns, but I’m sure that large portions of populations will soon be moving from states that have devestateded their businesses to states that have kept them alive and well.

the evidence I provided
The evidence you provided was that you’re incapable of understanding your own links.

When your entire argument, such as it is, relies upon pedantry,
No, the point is that what you claim was incorrect. Employing an accusation of pedantry is just combining an admission you were wrong with an appeal that it didn’t really matter that you were wrong.

“The use of the term “maximum social distancing” by the Brazilian President has nothing to do with what models are based on.”

This sort of gambit might work for you in verbal sparring, but in written communication, you appear foolish. It was a pedantic concern of yours and I provided you with simply two citations by two (not one) heads of state. Next time, you could simply say to yourself “Huh, I didn’t know that” and move on to the substance.

“The models, in terms of infection rates and death rates, have not been proven wrong, the evidence you offer does not prove otherwise.”

Then you either A) didn’t read the evidence I provided, or B) don’t understand that evidence. Neither case is my problem.

“You appear to not understand the meaning of your own words, for a failure to have “managed to implement” to occur there must first be an attempt.”

When your entire argument, such as it is, relies upon pedantry, you’re better served getting it right. Allow me to help you. The clear point is not whether or not any locality managed to implement full social distancing, and your fixation upon that suggests that you’re not responding in good faith.

WOW ~ you can retire!

And, meet the cold hard facts of being close to OLD and DECREPIT and declining.

The death rate for people this age is far greater than the death rate for younger people. And since there are so many Baby Boomers and they’ve been dying off so fast, they boosted the aggregate total population death rate above what it would have been had they never existed.

Now, as they disappear as a group, that aggregate total population death rate is DROPPING.

As I heard a doctor say, “More men die with prostate cancer than die from prostate cancer”.

(As promised I’ll compare my simple late-March predictions made for early/mid-April next week with the empirical data.)

To lighten up the mood a bit, have this:

“How they must gaze in wonder in Beijing to watch us downplay their culpability for a global health crime because educated Westerners cannot bring themselves to condemn any culture bar their own. How much happier we would all be if this virus had started at a gun show in Arkansas.”
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/china-must-pay-a-diplomatic-price-for-its-cover-up

Once the hindbrain kicks in, logic is lost.
Yes, I’ve just been reading an example of that.

Once the hindbrain kicks in, logic is lost. The Media and the politicians KNOW this, hence “never let a crisis go to waste.”

I deal constantly with things people “know” in dealing with this disease as part of my job. Most of the time what they “know” is something either from anecdotal evidence (I know a nurse…) or social media.

Do you think that the front line people that I know are not being truthful with me? They are a part of some conspiracy fostered by the governor and the mayor? The governor and the mayor I would not trust as far as I could kick them. But these workers are real people doing real work and they are as a rule scared and concerned for their real patients and themselves.

But it appears that things are more under control as evidenced by the governor NOT having to take the more draconian steps that he thought he might have had to take.

Two very different but connected boxes.

They are threads of the same tapestry, and cannot be separated. The political reaction has been created by the media frenzy and spin, and fed by “data” corrupted by the politics of the researchers.

They are not separate events, nor are they separate actions.