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https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/01/25/oh-really-cia-now-admits-they-think-covid-came-from-a-lab-leak-n2184807

Cotour: Just as I told D. Messier not to play cute games with your nickname, I now tell you the same thing. This kind of childish thing is exactly what I don’t want to see in the discussion here at BtB.

The list of fake news sites is on the list of fake news sites.

I’m not a rocket-scientist nor a virologist. On some Subject Matters however I am well-versed by training & experience.
When wikipedia lies & politically slants factoids about stuff I am acutely aware, why should I believe them about other stuff?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.”
“In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story and then turn the page to national or international affairs and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about {what-ever} than the baloney you just read. You turn the page and forget what you know.”
Michael Crichton

Another state seeking loopholes in Federal federal law to hold manufactures of vaccines responsible.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/arkansas-bills-criminal-liability-pharma-execs-vaccine-injury/

Another Clinical study of RSV vaccine on babies halted do to the vaccine causing the very problem it is meant to cure.
https://chemicalviolence.com/2024-12-16-moderna-rsv-vaccine-trial-halted-side-effects.html

A paragraph of note in the article, this isn’t the only trial that has the FDA worried.

“The FDA is not alone in its caution toward mRNA RSV vaccines. In a related development, Moderna’s mRNA-1345 vaccine, approved for adults aged 60 and older, is facing new scrutiny. Recent reports suggest that the vaccine may be exacerbating the very conditions it aims to prevent. This echoes a long-standing concern about mRNA vaccines, which, despite their promise, have shown a propensity to cause unintended immune responses that may be harmful, especially in vulnerable populations like the elderly and infants.”

As I searched, I looked for anything associated with vaccines that was positive… The only thing I could find was press releases by the pharmaceuticals and by the FDA. They were associated with usual claims are being safe and effective, but admitted that the product was just produced from last year‘s flu of the new variance, and released under “emergency authorization act” which is a euphemism for “no testing done”, just trust us.
Chemical labs that received the new vaccines claim there’s a lot of junk foreign material in the shots that don’t belong there. The manufactures give them the equivalent of the middle finger…

Which has led to a 40% drop in vaccination rates because we no longer trust the agencies paid to protect us.
A list of reasons for buyer beware.
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/2024-11-20-top-10-reasons-to-avoid-all-vaccines.html

I handed Christmas goodies to my neighbor yesterday, a young man whom I watched grow up who wanted to play soccer professionally but changed careers after a severe foot injury.
He’s now a medical doctor, (forced to receive all the shots as medical professionals must do) and he was showing me his heart monitor he must wear all the time now. He’s in his mid-30s. He’s even had to give up coaching soccer.
One interesting thing from our conversation. This time of year most of their medical emergencies involve patients choking… food stuff stuck in their esophagus. He described a huge shrimp that he had to force down the patient’s throat recently.

Of course it is. I would expect nothing less. I could provide a dozen other legitimate sites and you’d say the same thing.

In case you didn’t see what Wikipedia cited when it Slay News, here are the links.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240115100903/https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023/09/fact-check-cdc-study-did-not-confirm-covid-jab-lowers-male-life-expectancy-by-24-years.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/06/29/article-misconstrues-authors-words-about-ai-and-religion-fact-check/70337369007/

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004140715/https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jul/13/facebook-posts/no-amish-kids-get-cancer-diabetes-autism-thats-pan/

Pretty weird stuff huh, Wayne?

ADULT
FORMULATION
Preservative Free
1 mL contains 10 mcg of hepatitis B
surface antigen adjuvanted with
amorphous aluminum
hydroxyphosphate sulfate.

Vaccine is prepared from fermentation
cultures of a recombinant strain of
the yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae
containing the gene for the adw
subtype of HBsAg.

This Product Contains No Thimerosal.

No Thimerosal? (Mercury), which it does not say on the product they make for newborn babies.
Adjuvant is aluminum which is the most common, “grandfathered in” in spite of the health risks we now know of.
https://www.drugs.com/pro/recombivax-hb.html

Hepatitis B and C Infections caused mostly by sharing needles intervenous drug use and sex workers… And in healthcare workers who handle their blood.
Why do they force newborn infants over 4 pounds to have a hepatitis shot? Are babies at risk? again, it can’t be to prevent hepatitis because they do not have an immune system yet. (breast-feeding is the major source nutrition and antibodies from the mother)

Question;
“What I want to know Ref; Covid;
Why isn’t the ‘vaccine’ made out of killed virus?”

Money. Treatment is more lucrative than a cure.

Viruses are not alive, they do not eat, or fill any category required for “life” except reproduction. In this category it takes on the differences of the host which alters the virus with every new infection untell it’s no longer harmful.

I believe the term to use is deactivate rendering it unable to enter the cell to replicate. Viruses are believed to be leftover ribosomes that were once part of the DNA of a living cell that went rogue. Think of it like a crystal that grows but it’s not alive. That’s actually what they believe prions are in mad cow disease (Alzheimer’s) because they grow when placed next to an electrical source in a nutrient bath (Brain and spinal tissue resulting in spongaform encephalitis). Extremely hard to kill, (deactivate) even with autoclaving. A good reason not to become a cannibal or eat sick animals.

Smaller pharmaceutical companies in many countries have attempted Covid vaccinations the old fashion way, but no one has been able to isolate the disease and it mutates far too quickly to keep up. (this year‘s vaccine for last year‘s flu)
It’s no longer a virulent strain and is considered no worse than the common cold now, the only people having difficulty is the usual people with existing health problems, and those who’ve had the MNRA shots that genetically modify their system not to recognize the virus when they catch it. Like AIDS, an auto immune issue occurs where the body cannot recognize the problem so the entire body deteriorates as organs began shutting down.
Perhaps with anti-rejection drugs like the ones given transplant recipients may work. That also works for children given vaccinations that have a strong reactions.
Night fevers so severe that brain damage may result from the swelling (encephalitis?)

Viruses and strains of pathogens are deactivated by using electrolysis to coat them with a layer of metal. The metal ions mostly prevent them from being infectious, while keeping its shape, allowing the body to recognize it as an infection or foreign matter that it must learn and eliminate. (this is also true of anything that enters your bloodstream, or your intestinal tract… do not be fooled by the claim that a new shot made “antibodies”, “everything” that is foreign makes antibodies)
The problem is that the pathogen still finds the receptor sites in the brain and tissues but the body can’t break down the foreign material. (The injected viruses has a suit of armor after all) the body attacks the healthy tissue that the receptor site “is in” causing a whole new host of problems that did not exist before. This is believed to be the main cause of autism, allergies, asthma in children. The result of an active immune system against a pathogen that the body could not break down. (sudden infant death syndrome is common after a vaccination… A new term called sads, sudden adult death syndrome was coined after the “emergency authorization act” and “Right to Try” was passed.)

My daughter rejected her kidneys and took anti-rejection drugs for 20 years after she received her hepatitis shot, apparently it’s common to have foreign material of monkey kidney cells that gets stuck in your kidneys causing the rejection.
Sorry I overdid it again.

What I want to know Ref; Covid;
Why isn’t the ‘vaccine’ made out of killed virus?

“Calling it a ‘Necessary First Step to Stop Weaponization of the Federal Government,’ House Issues 17,000-page Report”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/weaponization-federal-government-house-final-report/

This long report on the weaponization of information includes;

“documents obtained from DHS shed more light on the U.S. government’s attempts to censor COVID-19-related speech, including censorship of true information that “can become misinformation as it ages.”
“According to the documents, in early 2020, DHS and CISA were concerned that “online misinformation” would “erode public confidence” in the “yet to be developed COVID-19 vaccine.”

What happens now? The next administration takes over and we will see. Quote;
“the subcommittee will “dissolve at the end of the year” and will be absorbed by the Judiciary Committee.”

There’s also the leading article of a clarification on the polio vaccine that Kennedy has been accused of wanting to “removing from the vaccine schedule for children” on the same website.
In essence, the wild polio virus hasn’t been detected in this country since 1979. (Essentially extinct) all polio infections now involves/ or is linked to/ the vaccinations, or those in contact with the feces of the vaccinated recipients.
Since 2020, newest polio vaccine used in the U.S., “uses technology that involves growing the poliovirus on monkey kidney cells whose chromones were modified to cause them to multiply forever.” (gain of function?) “All polio vaccines used today are genetically modified.“ developed and released under emergency authorization act.
“According to the petition, Sanofi’s IPOL vaccine hasn’t been adequately proven safe because the clinical trials relied on for licensing the product did not include a control group and declared the vaccine safe after following the trial participants for up to only three days after injection.”

“The CDC recommends children receive four doses of IPOL, starting at age 2 months. The second dose is given at 4 months. The third is given at 6-18 months, and the fourth is given anytime between 4 and 6 years.”

Three polio vaccination‘s that have not been tested along with the series of other shots… All given to babies before their immune system has developed in which it’s impossible to make antibodies against.
A repeat of the Covid vaccine who’s hype not only failed to live up to its expectations, but as illustrated in the article above, was found to be far more dangerous than the disease itself.

Such mass hysteria evil has not been seen perpetrated on the public since the witch burning‘s of 4 to 5 centuries ago. Just look at what can be accomplished by the wrong people if they have control of all the media outlets and tell the people lies continuously. Why?
There’s Great power in truth, and the truth will set you free from anyone’s control.

I believe a double blind study is warranted and agree with Kennedy on this blatant disregard for children’s health.
Particularly at a time when their immune system is so vulnerable, which can only be translated as an attempt in population control with the return of profits for healthcare corporations…
Thank you Gates foundation.
Who I believed said, “the pharmaceutical industry is 100 times more profitable than computers.” where else could you give people a disease and then sell them the treatment for the rest of their lives?
His father Bill Gates senior, a lawyer representing Planned Parenthood, cofounder of the Gates foundation, would be pleased.
It was his goal, along with open society (George Soros), and the “world economic forum”, to have less than 1 billion people left in the entire world… To save the world of course.

The destabilization of the Middle East is nearly complete, once they remove Iran and Russia, nothing will stand in the way of world domination. The Chinese model will be our future.

phwest: Thank you for the detailed analysis. It is appreciated.

Can you create a screen capture of your table and post that?

Looking at the actual data it is quite clear that the higher death rates for the vaccinated population is entirely an artifact of the higher vaccination rates of the elderly population. Over 95% of those aged 60 and over are vaccinated, compared to 87% of those under 60. 93% of all deaths in 2022 occurred in the 60 and over population. Of course more vaccinated people are going to die over the year. For every age cohort in the dataset the vaccinated population has a lower death rate, both all-cause mortality and COVID-related. The rate of deaths involving COVID (roughly 25,000 in all or about 5% of all deaths in 2022 for reference) ranges from 2-4 times higher in the unvaccinated population.

This is not to say the vaccines are effective. When you have vaccination rates above 97% for the 90 and older cohort for example, you need to know why those (relatively few) individuals aren’t vaccinated. If they are already too frail to tolerate a vaccine, then it would hardly be surprising if they are more likely to die from an actual infection. The difference in all cause mortality is several times larger that the higher death rate involving COVID, so it suggest that that in England at least, the unvaccinated population is in poorer health overall. It also doesn’t mean the younger cohorts should be vaccinated. For the 19-39 cohort the difference is 1.9 vs 0.7 deaths per 100,000, as there were only 126 such deaths over the year for the entire cohort. Such a limited benefit might not be worth the side effects over time, you’d need a targeted study to test that. It’s always hard to make definitive pronouncements from population level studies like this, there are too many uncontrolled/unmeasured variables that could be influencing the outcomes.

But what you CAN’T say is that this dataset somehow proves the vaccine is dangerous or counterproductive. It does nothing of the sort.

Here is a table breaking down the data for deaths involving COVID 2022 by age and vaccination :

Row Labels Total Deaths Population Death rate per 100,000
18-39
___Vaccinated 79 11,202,567 0.71
Unvaccinated 47 2,470,137 1.90
40-49
___Vaccinated 207 5,849,501 3.54
Unvaccinated 64 687,561 9.31
50-59
___Vaccinated 715 6,773,010 10.56
Unvaccinated 181 451,087 40.13
60-69
___Vaccinated 1,956 5,669,671 34.50
Unvaccinated 331 242,861 136.29
70-79
___Vaccinated 5,602 4,624,332 121.14
Unvaccinated 510 117,841 432.79
80-89
___Vaccinated 10,169 2,170,687 468.47
Unvaccinated 684 49,631 1378.17
90+
___Vaccinated 6,855 466,287 1470.12
Unvaccinated 407 12,517 3251.58

Totals
___Vaccinated 25,583 36,756,055 69.60
Unvaccinated 2,224 4,031,635 55.16

You did read the part where the death rate among elderly people who got vaxxed was ten times the death rate of those that didn’t, yes?”

Even so, it seems overwhelmingly likely that there is SOME amount of self-selection biasing these numbers – those most at risk were the ones most encouraged to get the vaccine (especially at first).

That is not to say that I disagree with the basic point, only that such a point is *strengthened* if it survives every possible objection, so I want to see as many objections and admissions as possible. When it survives even that, it is unassailable.

This anti-vax thing on the Right is extremely stupid tribalism, led by an extremely stupid & mendacious man who is not even a man of the Right: RFK Jr. It is embarrassing and ridiculous. But, I suppose when it comes to lies, what the economists call sunk costs is generally outweighed by tribalism and reputation maintenance.

https://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-dark-side-of-wikipedia

You did read the part where the death rate among elderly people who got vaxxed was ten times the death rate of those that didn’t, yes?

Although I would like to see a better analysis of the data. This report is kind of all over the place.

I had to take the vax as a condition of employment as an expat in the UAE. I passed on the first offering, the Sinovax. Of those who jumped as early adopters, many came down with a terrible case 6 months after.

I agree to take the Pfizer but the second shot put me on my back, unable to work. When the UAE government insisted on boosters, I said an emphatic “NO!” By delaying and citing my reaction to shot #2 I was able to wrangle an exemption.

I finally came down with a case about a year later – I’ve had worst experiences with flu. The local doctor refused to make an official diagnosis!

Those under 60 represented about 85% of all cases, but only account for about 15% of all deaths, and obviously those over 60 represented the reverse of this. And those over 80 account for a meager 3.3% share of cases, but over 50% of deaths! Finally, in general about 2/3 of all deaths have involved patients suffering from at least 1 or more serious co- morbidity.

So given that older people are in general the ones most encouraged and engaged in getting preventative shots (flu shots, the shingles vax, and the like) it seems likely they were disproportionately active in getting the covid vaccine as well. And given the data above the high death rate correlation would therefore not be at all surprising. It DOES clearly reflect the abysmal efficacy of the vax, but not any obvious ill effects on mortality (as the statistical breakdown noted held from Spring 2020 when they started tracking these stats, and didn’t really change in any obvious way after mass way started.

To be clear I am not a big vax fan. As an aspiring geriatric I followed this data all along and bit the bullet and submitted to the 2 shot regimen in early summer 2021 after there was no obvious disaster amongst the early guinea pigs. But I DID suffer averse effects shortly thereafter that I cannot conclusively attribute to the Vax, but were serious enough to compel me to abandon further participation.

But data is data, and one has to be wary of personal confirmation bias.. And in this particular case I expect self selection to participate by older people likely explains this reporting quite well.

For what it is worth.

“And it’s not just politics, he said, noting that the site only reflects “establishment mouthpieces” like Dr. Anthony Fauci as well as government health groups in its coverage of COVID-19.”

“There’s a lot of Nobel prize winners and distinguished doctors whose views are not only not welcome on Wikipedia — they’re literally censored on YouTube and sometimes Facebook and Twitter because they contradict the narrative,” he said.

“There’s a global enforcement of a certain point of view on issues like COVID,” he insisted, calling it “amazing to me as a libertarian, or a liberty-loving conservative.”

https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscellaneous_fake_news_websites