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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2018 04:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/revisiting-biosphere-2/#comment-1047478&quot;&gt;Scott&lt;/a&gt;.

Scott: I am not sure you will find the tour that much more interesting. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, the amount of information provided is generally somewhat superficial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/revisiting-biosphere-2/#comment-1047478">Scott</a>.</p>
<p>Scott: I am not sure you will find the tour that much more interesting. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, the amount of information provided is generally somewhat superficial.</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2018 04:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was interested to hear that the Biosphere2 now has a history option.  I&#039;m local as well and have been twice but don&#039;t remember that option (it has been a few years).  At the time they seemed to avoid the history unless you asked.  If you asked they would talk about it.  The first time I went it was a small group and I felt free to pepper the guide with questions and I did and it was fascinating.  The second time the group was large and I didn&#039;t feel I could monopolize the conversation.  Anyway, I remember thinking both times that they should emphasize the history, maybe even put in some life-size card-board cut-outs of the crew!  :-)   I&#039;ll have to go again now.  I&#039;m guessing that there are probably still (sadly) no crew cut-outs but sounds like the tour is more interesting!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested to hear that the Biosphere2 now has a history option.  I&#8217;m local as well and have been twice but don&#8217;t remember that option (it has been a few years).  At the time they seemed to avoid the history unless you asked.  If you asked they would talk about it.  The first time I went it was a small group and I felt free to pepper the guide with questions and I did and it was fascinating.  The second time the group was large and I didn&#8217;t feel I could monopolize the conversation.  Anyway, I remember thinking both times that they should emphasize the history, maybe even put in some life-size card-board cut-outs of the crew!  :-)   I&#8217;ll have to go again now.  I&#8217;m guessing that there are probably still (sadly) no crew cut-outs but sounds like the tour is more interesting!</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob:

Your article serves as an important reminder of the difference between actual &quot;science&quot; and zealotry - whoever the zealot, whatever the &quot;object&quot; of ones zealotry might be.  Thank you for a wonderful reminder!

Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob:</p>
<p>Your article serves as an important reminder of the difference between actual &#8220;science&#8221; and zealotry &#8211; whoever the zealot, whatever the &#8220;object&#8221; of ones zealotry might be.  Thank you for a wonderful reminder!</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2018 19:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice report, Robert.  I learned quite a bit, and I will have to take that tour, if I get to that area.  (There are a couple other tours on my list, such as the Titan Missile Museum: http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/ )

This report suggests that there were not clear, specific goals for the original experiment to accomplish.  This would explain why it had so many critics, back then.  The goals inform the experimenter what to measure and track and whether the experiment failed to accomplish the goal.  

My recollection was that the experiment was to be a closed system, and any violation of that closure would invalidate the experiment.  If it was to be mostly closed, then it should have been made clear what &lt;i&gt;could &lt;/i&gt;go in or come out (but didn&#039;t have to) and for what reasons, in order to make clear why the experiment was successful rather than a failure.  Did the reduced sunlight (something that was necessary to go in) invalidate the experiment?  Without a clear plan, no one knows.  

Being lax about keeping the system closed and not keeping good financial accounts suggests to me that they were not serious about the data that they were collecting.  That is a lot of time and expense for irreproducible results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice report, Robert.  I learned quite a bit, and I will have to take that tour, if I get to that area.  (There are a couple other tours on my list, such as the Titan Missile Museum: <a href="http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/</a> )</p>
<p>This report suggests that there were not clear, specific goals for the original experiment to accomplish.  This would explain why it had so many critics, back then.  The goals inform the experimenter what to measure and track and whether the experiment failed to accomplish the goal.  </p>
<p>My recollection was that the experiment was to be a closed system, and any violation of that closure would invalidate the experiment.  If it was to be mostly closed, then it should have been made clear what <i>could </i>go in or come out (but didn&#8217;t have to) and for what reasons, in order to make clear why the experiment was successful rather than a failure.  Did the reduced sunlight (something that was necessary to go in) invalidate the experiment?  Without a clear plan, no one knows.  </p>
<p>Being lax about keeping the system closed and not keeping good financial accounts suggests to me that they were not serious about the data that they were collecting.  That is a lot of time and expense for irreproducible results.</p>
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		By: Mike Borgelt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borgelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2018 19:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our planet isn&#039;t a closed system either. The power comes from outside]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our planet isn&#8217;t a closed system either. The power comes from outside</p>
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		By: Kirk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 22:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks!  I&#039;ll consider a visit next time I&#039;m out that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I&#8217;ll consider a visit next time I&#8217;m out that way.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/revisiting-biosphere-2/#comment-1046786&quot;&gt;Kirk&lt;/a&gt;.

Kirk: We took the history tour, which also includes the &quot;Under the Glass Tour.&quot; I think it was worth it, though of course you always have to recognize that the amount of information you can get on one of these tours is somewhat superficial. The main reason to go is to see the place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/revisiting-biosphere-2/#comment-1046786">Kirk</a>.</p>
<p>Kirk: We took the history tour, which also includes the &#8220;Under the Glass Tour.&#8221; I think it was worth it, though of course you always have to recognize that the amount of information you can get on one of these tours is somewhat superficial. The main reason to go is to see the place.</p>
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		By: Kirk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, did you take their &quot;History Tour&quot; or just the basic &quot;Under the Glass Tour&quot;, and if the former, was it worthwhile?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, did you take their &#8220;History Tour&#8221; or just the basic &#8220;Under the Glass Tour&#8221;, and if the former, was it worthwhile?</p>
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