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		By: Erdos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erdos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 07:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wayne

I suppose if I were to publish with a friend of mine, it would give me an Erdos number of 3. Maybe I should look into that just for the bragging rights. His area of specialty isn’t something I know much about though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne</p>
<p>I suppose if I were to publish with a friend of mine, it would give me an Erdos number of 3. Maybe I should look into that just for the bragging rights. His area of specialty isn’t something I know much about though.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erdos-
I must inquire..... do you have a number?

Erdos Numbers: A mathematical example of &#039;small world&#039; networks - 
John Barrow  Gresham College 2010
https://youtu.be/F5ZsM5OijYs
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erdos-<br />
I must inquire&#8230;.. do you have a number?</p>
<p>Erdos Numbers: A mathematical example of &#8216;small world&#8217; networks &#8211;<br />
John Barrow  Gresham College 2010<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/F5ZsM5OijYs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/F5ZsM5OijYs</a><br />
4:36</p>
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		By: Erdos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erdos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 07:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I kept meaning to post this link back when you wrote this. It&#039;s something I check on a regular basis. Their prediction models seem to be moderately accurate so far.

https://wwwbis.sidc.be/silso/home]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kept meaning to post this link back when you wrote this. It&#8217;s something I check on a regular basis. Their prediction models seem to be moderately accurate so far.</p>
<p><a href="https://wwwbis.sidc.be/silso/home" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wwwbis.sidc.be/silso/home</a></p>
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		By: MadRocketSci		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadRocketSci]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nevermind, found the earlier data. Now I have a different question: Why is the data from the 1750s on the same scale, with the same period, and showing the same trend as modern data collected by electronic instruments? Eyeballs through dark glass couldn&#039;t *possibly* see what we see with a CCD and a proper filter!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind, found the earlier data. Now I have a different question: Why is the data from the 1750s on the same scale, with the same period, and showing the same trend as modern data collected by electronic instruments? Eyeballs through dark glass couldn&#8217;t *possibly* see what we see with a CCD and a proper filter!</p>
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		By: MadRocketSci		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadRocketSci]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pity the dataset only looks like it goes back to 2005 (though I imagine earlier data exists. We&#039;ve been looking at the sun closely since at least the Apollo program.)

I&#039;ve been looking at historical weather station data (NOAA Global Summary of Day for various rural stations, Farmers Almanac, etc): Notice a very rough periodic set of &quot;cold years&quot; among broader &quot;hot years&quot;, and would like to make an overlay at some point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity the dataset only looks like it goes back to 2005 (though I imagine earlier data exists. We&#8217;ve been looking at the sun closely since at least the Apollo program.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at historical weather station data (NOAA Global Summary of Day for various rural stations, Farmers Almanac, etc): Notice a very rough periodic set of &#8220;cold years&#8221; among broader &#8220;hot years&#8221;, and would like to make an overlay at some point.</p>
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		By: BLSinSC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BLSinSC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An easy experiment to determine the sun&#039;s ability to affect warming would be to simply stand in your yard or a non-busy roadway (for democrats) and hold an opened umbrella over your head!  Now REMOVE the umbrella and feel the heat!  That is warming caused by the sun!  Now the intensity of the heat is due to the sunspot activity!  More sunspots result in more heat being radiated outwards!  It&#039;s similar to throwing another log on the fire - more heat!  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that hard to understand and shouldn&#039;t be that hard to prove by using past temps and past sunspot activity.  BUT, that wouldn&#039;t suffice for the &quot;Globull Worming&quot; crowd!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An easy experiment to determine the sun&#8217;s ability to affect warming would be to simply stand in your yard or a non-busy roadway (for democrats) and hold an opened umbrella over your head!  Now REMOVE the umbrella and feel the heat!  That is warming caused by the sun!  Now the intensity of the heat is due to the sunspot activity!  More sunspots result in more heat being radiated outwards!  It&#8217;s similar to throwing another log on the fire &#8211; more heat!  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that hard to understand and shouldn&#8217;t be that hard to prove by using past temps and past sunspot activity.  BUT, that wouldn&#8217;t suffice for the &#8220;Globull Worming&#8221; crowd!</p>
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		By: Seymour Spötz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seymour Spötz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 16:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! These predictions are so low. This trending is definitely pointing north of 150 sunspots, if not closer to 175.

Am I a heliophysicist now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! These predictions are so low. This trending is definitely pointing north of 150 sunspots, if not closer to 175.</p>
<p>Am I a heliophysicist now?</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a link to the sun for Jan 4 2022.

As with Dec( there were at least 2 days), there are no sunspots.  This may be rare during this time of ramp-up.  

Everything indicates the predicted curve needed to be somewhat earlier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to the sun for Jan 4 2022.</p>
<p>As with Dec( there were at least 2 days), there are no sunspots.  This may be rare during this time of ramp-up.  </p>
<p>Everything indicates the predicted curve needed to be somewhat earlier.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-blasts-off/#comment-1269375&quot;&gt;Steve Richter&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve Richter: Yes. Since 1978 satellites have measured the Sun&#039;s total flux across most wavelengths, though that data is not complete. The data shows that in optical the sun varies by 0.01% (I think from memory) across the sunspot cycle, while other wavelength vary more, such as UV which varies by as much as 50%.

The data however is incomplete, and covers a woefully short span.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-blasts-off/#comment-1269375">Steve Richter</a>.</p>
<p>Steve Richter: Yes. Since 1978 satellites have measured the Sun&#8217;s total flux across most wavelengths, though that data is not complete. The data shows that in optical the sun varies by 0.01% (I think from memory) across the sunspot cycle, while other wavelength vary more, such as UV which varies by as much as 50%.</p>
<p>The data however is incomplete, and covers a woefully short span.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are there detectors in Earth orbit which measure the amount of energy that the Sun is putting out at any point in time?  Would that measurement vary from day to day, year to year?  Would the variation of solar energy output coincide with the sun spot cycle?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there detectors in Earth orbit which measure the amount of energy that the Sun is putting out at any point in time?  Would that measurement vary from day to day, year to year?  Would the variation of solar energy output coincide with the sun spot cycle?</p>
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		By: LocalFulff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LocalFulff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CORRECTION:
&quot;One popular theory is that the Sun has no theory beyond the obvious 11 years. &quot;
Should be:
&quot;One popular theory is that the Sun has no MEMORY beyond the obvious 11 years.&quot;

If that makes my post above any the less incomprehensible. 
Then I might add that we have the pointy-haired boss of Dilbert!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION:<br />
&#8220;One popular theory is that the Sun has no theory beyond the obvious 11 years. &#8221;<br />
Should be:<br />
&#8220;One popular theory is that the Sun has no MEMORY beyond the obvious 11 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that makes my post above any the less incomprehensible.<br />
Then I might add that we have the pointy-haired boss of Dilbert!</p>
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		By: LocalFulff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LocalFulff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Robert ZSimmerman
I hope they do a &quot;bit&quot; more than that! I&#039;m just making an occular inspection of the plotted curve. And I see a trend, albeit a trend of two waves diverging. I&#039;m pretty sure that any heliophysicist sees the same, but has physical contexts to put it through.

Those plotted predicting curves have no relation to physics, that I know of. They are purely statistical. They are derived from previously recorded data. They differ only because of how many previous waves they use to extrapolate the trend. Who knows? One popular theory is that the Sun has no theory beyond the obvious 11 years. Its internal noise erases any long term cycles. And let&#039;s hope that is true, (which there are good reasons to do), because if the Sun has periods of a million bad years now and then, that&#039;s no good for us here. Let&#039;s hope it&#039;s just two slightly out of syn cycles interfering each others that cause the variations in Solar cycles.

And more seriously this as an argument for double tops going out of sync as a general phenomenon. As on wigs in the Royal Court of Versailles in the 18th century:
https://lestresorsdeversailles.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/perruque-xviiic3a8me.png

But I have gambled a prediction, so lets see next decade how wrong or right my gamble happened to turn out! (Not that it explains anything either way, but a bet is a bet).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert ZSimmerman<br />
I hope they do a &#8220;bit&#8221; more than that! I&#8217;m just making an occular inspection of the plotted curve. And I see a trend, albeit a trend of two waves diverging. I&#8217;m pretty sure that any heliophysicist sees the same, but has physical contexts to put it through.</p>
<p>Those plotted predicting curves have no relation to physics, that I know of. They are purely statistical. They are derived from previously recorded data. They differ only because of how many previous waves they use to extrapolate the trend. Who knows? One popular theory is that the Sun has no theory beyond the obvious 11 years. Its internal noise erases any long term cycles. And let&#8217;s hope that is true, (which there are good reasons to do), because if the Sun has periods of a million bad years now and then, that&#8217;s no good for us here. Let&#8217;s hope it&#8217;s just two slightly out of syn cycles interfering each others that cause the variations in Solar cycles.</p>
<p>And more seriously this as an argument for double tops going out of sync as a general phenomenon. As on wigs in the Royal Court of Versailles in the 18th century:<br />
<a href="https://lestresorsdeversailles.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/perruque-xviiic3a8me.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://lestresorsdeversailles.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/perruque-xviiic3a8me.png</a></p>
<p>But I have gambled a prediction, so lets see next decade how wrong or right my gamble happened to turn out! (Not that it explains anything either way, but a bet is a bet).</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The time required for a photon from the fusion (in the core) is (I believe) on the order of millennia.

What bout the time required for magnetic fields to propagate?  I do not remember that part of physics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time required for a photon from the fusion (in the core) is (I believe) on the order of millennia.</p>
<p>What bout the time required for magnetic fields to propagate?  I do not remember that part of physics.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-blasts-off/#comment-1269307&quot;&gt;LocalFulff&lt;/a&gt;.

LocalFluff: You know of course that you are doing &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what the solar scientists do, which makes your prediction as reliable as all of theirs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-blasts-off/#comment-1269307">LocalFulff</a>.</p>
<p>LocalFluff: You know of course that you are doing <em>exactly</em> what the solar scientists do, which makes your prediction as reliable as all of theirs.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A naive prediction by eye, is that the double-top that has widen during recent cycles (years 2012 and 2014½ last time) will widen even more. Thus this rush to the first of the double top of this cycle. 3 years later the second top will be reached. And this double topping seems to smooth out the cycle as a whole. As with two waves that are no longer in sync to enforce each other, but rather dip and top against each other.

So that would predict an early high, a half dip, then 3 years later another high, then this cycle goes down to its 11 years bottom. And the maximum of this cycle would be lower than the last one&#039;s. That&#039;s just my visual impression of recent Solar cycle graphs, anyway. I have no idea in terms of physics that could cause that! The Sun is spherical and rings like a bell. And it is being tolled by two factors that are falling out of sync with each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A naive prediction by eye, is that the double-top that has widen during recent cycles (years 2012 and 2014½ last time) will widen even more. Thus this rush to the first of the double top of this cycle. 3 years later the second top will be reached. And this double topping seems to smooth out the cycle as a whole. As with two waves that are no longer in sync to enforce each other, but rather dip and top against each other.</p>
<p>So that would predict an early high, a half dip, then 3 years later another high, then this cycle goes down to its 11 years bottom. And the maximum of this cycle would be lower than the last one&#8217;s. That&#8217;s just my visual impression of recent Solar cycle graphs, anyway. I have no idea in terms of physics that could cause that! The Sun is spherical and rings like a bell. And it is being tolled by two factors that are falling out of sync with each other.</p>
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