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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2024 00:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;As always, I encourage anyone interested in learning about the climate and anthropogenic impacts to seek out that knowledge.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

I have been seeking out this relationship for decades.  So far all I have found is an assumption based upon another assumption.  There is no empirical data that defines the amount that CO2 affects the Earth&#039;s temperature (all the models make a guess at this value, but as we have seen, these guesses are wrong).  There is no empirical data that shows that man&#039;s contribution to the CO2 in the atmosphere is not adequately countered by nature.  

We do know, however, that historically CO2 increases follow temperature increases, as is happening with the end of the Little Ice Age.  We also know that the earth, the soil, releases CO2 with increasing temperatures, which could explain why this pattern happens and is happening now.  There is not yet empirical data that shows this portion of nature&#039;s contribution to the CO2 in the atmosphere.  

There is a large number of natural contributors to CO2, man adds a mere 2% to that value, and we do have empirical data that shows this.  There are a large number of natural contributors to other greenhouse gases, and we have empirical data for some of this, too.  

Other factors, perhaps less obvious, also are in play.  I worked on an experiment on a satellite that measured energy input to the Earth through electrons following the magnetic field to the poles and measured the amount of energy that went back into space via the X-rays produced by the resulting auroras.  Several other instruments also took measurements of other natural factors that affect the upper atmosphere.  The net gains in energy are yet additional natural contributors to the Earth&#039;s temperature.  

There are studies that show that the plant and animal life in forests and jungles emit so much H2O that they also increase the temperature in those areas, increasing the average over the planet.  Yet another aspect of global warming and climate change.  

Global warming, the coming ice age, and climate change are complex processes that we have no handle on at all.  What you may think you know, you don&#039;t.  Someone fed you BS, and you took the bait hook, line, and sinker, and now you are caught on their hook.  If you are interested, I encourage you to seek out knowledge about the other aspects, processes, and natural impacts to climate.  Climates are constantly changing and have since long before man was man.  

After all, the Little Ice Age ended when man contributed to the air little more than his breath, the breaths of his draft animals, and his cook fires.  What do you suppose caused that end?  It wasn&#039;t man.  He didn&#039;t truly industrialize until after WWI, the war to end all wars, and the Little Ice Age peaked a quarter millennium earlier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David wrote: &#8220;<em>As always, I encourage anyone interested in learning about the climate and anthropogenic impacts to seek out that knowledge.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>I have been seeking out this relationship for decades.  So far all I have found is an assumption based upon another assumption.  There is no empirical data that defines the amount that CO2 affects the Earth&#8217;s temperature (all the models make a guess at this value, but as we have seen, these guesses are wrong).  There is no empirical data that shows that man&#8217;s contribution to the CO2 in the atmosphere is not adequately countered by nature.  </p>
<p>We do know, however, that historically CO2 increases follow temperature increases, as is happening with the end of the Little Ice Age.  We also know that the earth, the soil, releases CO2 with increasing temperatures, which could explain why this pattern happens and is happening now.  There is not yet empirical data that shows this portion of nature&#8217;s contribution to the CO2 in the atmosphere.  </p>
<p>There is a large number of natural contributors to CO2, man adds a mere 2% to that value, and we do have empirical data that shows this.  There are a large number of natural contributors to other greenhouse gases, and we have empirical data for some of this, too.  </p>
<p>Other factors, perhaps less obvious, also are in play.  I worked on an experiment on a satellite that measured energy input to the Earth through electrons following the magnetic field to the poles and measured the amount of energy that went back into space via the X-rays produced by the resulting auroras.  Several other instruments also took measurements of other natural factors that affect the upper atmosphere.  The net gains in energy are yet additional natural contributors to the Earth&#8217;s temperature.  </p>
<p>There are studies that show that the plant and animal life in forests and jungles emit so much H2O that they also increase the temperature in those areas, increasing the average over the planet.  Yet another aspect of global warming and climate change.  </p>
<p>Global warming, the coming ice age, and climate change are complex processes that we have no handle on at all.  What you may think you know, you don&#8217;t.  Someone fed you BS, and you took the bait hook, line, and sinker, and now you are caught on their hook.  If you are interested, I encourage you to seek out knowledge about the other aspects, processes, and natural impacts to climate.  Climates are constantly changing and have since long before man was man.  </p>
<p>After all, the Little Ice Age ended when man contributed to the air little more than his breath, the breaths of his draft animals, and his cook fires.  What do you suppose caused that end?  It wasn&#8217;t man.  He didn&#8217;t truly industrialize until after WWI, the war to end all wars, and the Little Ice Age peaked a quarter millennium earlier.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2024 10:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Remember these realities in the coming years. It will help you identify incompetent, ignorant, and politically biased news sources as well as the scientists whose focus is not good research but a desire to push a political agenda.” - Robert Zimmerman 

Yes, reality (the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them). As always, I encourage anyone interested in learning about the climate and anthropogenic impacts to seek out that knowledge. Perhaps one day Mr. Zimmerman will as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Remember these realities in the coming years. It will help you identify incompetent, ignorant, and politically biased news sources as well as the scientists whose focus is not good research but a desire to push a political agenda.” &#8211; Robert Zimmerman </p>
<p>Yes, reality (the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them). As always, I encourage anyone interested in learning about the climate and anthropogenic impacts to seek out that knowledge. Perhaps one day Mr. Zimmerman will as well.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MDN, 
You wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;The point is that because of its inherent chaotic and sensitivity to even small perturbations turbulence makes long term predictions of turbulent systems impossible. Not difficult, impossible.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

Your takeaway from those two videos was the opposite of what they said.  Long term prediction of the system is done every day.  It is why we can make airplanes fly despite the turbulent flow that quickly develops in the boundary layer.  It is why we can predict the wind drag on a car despite the turbulent flow at the back window.  It is why turbulent flow is induced on golf balls, making their trajectories predictable.  

What we cannot do is predict where any given molecule or &quot;cell&quot; will go next in a turbulent flow.  We don&#039;t have to in order to understand the long term macro-flow of the air.  This same applies to long term solar cycles.  When there were few sunspots over decades (long term), temperatures were lower than during a regular cycle of sunspots.  We cannot predict the daily temperature from the number of sunspots, but we may be able to predict Little Ice Ages or maybe even the onset of the glacial periods of the current ice age.  

But we need more data and information before we know whether the solar cycle truly is causal.  The empirical evidence, so far, suggests it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MDN,<br />
You wrote: &#8220;<em>The point is that because of its inherent chaotic and sensitivity to even small perturbations turbulence makes long term predictions of turbulent systems impossible. Not difficult, impossible.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>Your takeaway from those two videos was the opposite of what they said.  Long term prediction of the system is done every day.  It is why we can make airplanes fly despite the turbulent flow that quickly develops in the boundary layer.  It is why we can predict the wind drag on a car despite the turbulent flow at the back window.  It is why turbulent flow is induced on golf balls, making their trajectories predictable.  </p>
<p>What we cannot do is predict where any given molecule or &#8220;cell&#8221; will go next in a turbulent flow.  We don&#8217;t have to in order to understand the long term macro-flow of the air.  This same applies to long term solar cycles.  When there were few sunspots over decades (long term), temperatures were lower than during a regular cycle of sunspots.  We cannot predict the daily temperature from the number of sunspots, but we may be able to predict Little Ice Ages or maybe even the onset of the glacial periods of the current ice age.  </p>
<p>But we need more data and information before we know whether the solar cycle truly is causal.  The empirical evidence, so far, suggests it is.</p>
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		By: MDN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2024 03:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew, the oceans also experience turbulent flow. And yes, GHEs are a perturbation of the atmosphere, but so are MANY things like the Tonga eruption last year that blasted enormous quantities of water vapor into the upper atmosphere and most likely triggered the rash of higher temperatures this last year as that took quite a long time to disperse and dissipate.

The point is that because of its inherent chaotic  and sensitivity to even small perturbations turbulence makes long term predictions of turbulent systems impossible. Not difficult, impossible. At least with today’s physics and computational technologies. Look at the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, a persistent vortex that has been observed for centuries and which in the last 20 years or so diminished in size by about 50%. No one predicted that, nor could they. And the same goes for the turbulent fluid dynamics of Sol which makes predicting sunspot activity a fool’s errand  as well.

My 2 cents anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, the oceans also experience turbulent flow. And yes, GHEs are a perturbation of the atmosphere, but so are MANY things like the Tonga eruption last year that blasted enormous quantities of water vapor into the upper atmosphere and most likely triggered the rash of higher temperatures this last year as that took quite a long time to disperse and dissipate.</p>
<p>The point is that because of its inherent chaotic  and sensitivity to even small perturbations turbulence makes long term predictions of turbulent systems impossible. Not difficult, impossible. At least with today’s physics and computational technologies. Look at the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, a persistent vortex that has been observed for centuries and which in the last 20 years or so diminished in size by about 50%. No one predicted that, nor could they. And the same goes for the turbulent fluid dynamics of Sol which makes predicting sunspot activity a fool’s errand  as well.</p>
<p>My 2 cents anyway.</p>
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		By: Andrew_W		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weather is the turbulent flow, enhanced GHE is sticking a spoon in a cup and stirring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weather is the turbulent flow, enhanced GHE is sticking a spoon in a cup and stirring.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Star Trek
&quot;Is the parking brake on?&quot;
https://youtu.be/JNQGpjTjPtI
0:49]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek<br />
&#8220;Is the parking brake on?&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/JNQGpjTjPtI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/JNQGpjTjPtI</a><br />
0:49</p>
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		By: MDN		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-continues-to-boom/#comment-1517110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MDN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here’s a link to the 2nd video…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PMerSm2ToFY&#038;pp=ygUUdmFuIGdvdWdoIHR1cmJ1bGVuY2U%3D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s a link to the 2nd video…</p>
<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PMerSm2ToFY&#038;pp=ygUUdmFuIGdvdWdoIHR1cmJ1bGVuY2U%3D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PMerSm2ToFY&#038;pp=ygUUdmFuIGdvdWdoIHR1cmJ1bGVuY2U%3D</a></p>
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		By: MDN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MDN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To comment on the actual topic at hand this TEDX video explains why the solar cycle (and climate) predictions are a fools errand. The other TEDX video referenced at the end is one Bob posted for an Evening Pause at my suggestion some years ago and the Heisenberg quote it notes  at the beginning puts it even more succinctly. Recommended.  : )

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3i6tJ4XNqA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To comment on the actual topic at hand this TEDX video explains why the solar cycle (and climate) predictions are a fools errand. The other TEDX video referenced at the end is one Bob posted for an Evening Pause at my suggestion some years ago and the Heisenberg quote it notes  at the beginning puts it even more succinctly. Recommended.  : )</p>
<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3i6tJ4XNqA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3i6tJ4XNqA</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 05:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blackwing1

I was going to parody AC/DC&#039;s &#039;TNT&#039; (Scott/Young/Young Albert 1975) referencing your comment on CO2, then realized, the second verse of the song pretty much works as written:

&quot;I&#039;m dirty, mean and mighty unclean
I&#039;m a wanted man
Public enemy number one
Understand
So lock up your daughter
Lock up your wife
Lock up your back door
And run for your life
The man is back in town
Don&#039;t you mess me &#039;round&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackwing1</p>
<p>I was going to parody AC/DC&#8217;s &#8216;TNT&#8217; (Scott/Young/Young Albert 1975) referencing your comment on CO2, then realized, the second verse of the song pretty much works as written:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m dirty, mean and mighty unclean<br />
I&#8217;m a wanted man<br />
Public enemy number one<br />
Understand<br />
So lock up your daughter<br />
Lock up your wife<br />
Lock up your back door<br />
And run for your life<br />
The man is back in town<br />
Don&#8217;t you mess me &#8217;round&#8221;</p>
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		By: Shallow Minded Reader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Allan
&quot;If its not a Boeing, I&#039;m not going&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan<br />
&#8220;If its not a Boeing, I&#8217;m not going&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 22:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blackwing1: I heard about this (and heard the sound) from the Daily Mail this morning. 
Most commenters there are blaming Boeing and its Starliner and their DEI problem, lack of quality control, etc. 
And many are questioning how two astronauts can be stuck on the ISS when we walked on the moon more than 50 years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackwing1: I heard about this (and heard the sound) from the Daily Mail this morning.<br />
Most commenters there are blaming Boeing and its Starliner and their DEI problem, lack of quality control, etc.<br />
And many are questioning how two astronauts can be stuck on the ISS when we walked on the moon more than 50 years ago.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-continues-to-boom/#comment-1516958&quot;&gt;Blackwing1&lt;/a&gt;.

Blackwing1: It is obviously a coke bottle caught in some gear that is causing the ping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/sunspot-update-the-sun-continues-to-boom/#comment-1516958">Blackwing1</a>.</p>
<p>Blackwing1: It is obviously a coke bottle caught in some gear that is causing the ping.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blackwing1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Totally off topic, did you see this from the Boeing capsule:

https://x.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1830180273130242223?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1830180273130242223%7Ctwgr%5E0691139e1547ae6fbf992e1706eebb94da4d348b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&#038;ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F670248%2F

Most comments are saying it&#039;s alien lifeforms, a lot are saying it&#039;s ghosts.  I think that they left the screen door unlatched and it&#039;s banging open and shut in the solar wind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally off topic, did you see this from the Boeing capsule:</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1830180273130242223?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1830180273130242223%7Ctwgr%5E0691139e1547ae6fbf992e1706eebb94da4d348b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&#038;ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F670248%2F" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1830180273130242223?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1830180273130242223%7Ctwgr%5E0691139e1547ae6fbf992e1706eebb94da4d348b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&#038;ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F670248%2F</a></p>
<p>Most comments are saying it&#8217;s alien lifeforms, a lot are saying it&#8217;s ghosts.  I think that they left the screen door unlatched and it&#8217;s banging open and shut in the solar wind.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We hit 105°F on the back deck this afternoon.  It must be anthropogenic global warming.

But wait...

We hit -38°F on the back deck in January.  It must have been anthropogenic climate change.

Warming.  Cooling.  Drought.  Rain.  Snow.  Is there nothing CO2 can&#039;t do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hit 105°F on the back deck this afternoon.  It must be anthropogenic global warming.</p>
<p>But wait&#8230;</p>
<p>We hit -38°F on the back deck in January.  It must have been anthropogenic climate change.</p>
<p>Warming.  Cooling.  Drought.  Rain.  Snow.  Is there nothing CO2 can&#8217;t do?</p>
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