“Our government has failed again to be representative of the ideals that our country is based on.”

I meant it as a statement of it’s nature not a shortcoming. I meant it in the context that it’s obviously expected to happen.

Did Nature [magazine] really come out and say face masks cause harm? Why, yes: yes, they did. “Titanium dioxide particles frequently present in face masks intended for general use require regulatory control”.

Recall, also, when the CDC said you didn’t have to pay rent? They were making up “laws” with wild abandon during the panic.

Did I already mention the conspiracy theory of how the mRNA vaxxes could change your DNA? No? Well, guess what. This: “Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line”. Maybe you can kill that foreign DNA by soaking your liver in sufficient quantities of alcohol.

Here’s a fun thread of people dying in their sleep after being vaxxed.

Be careful, young ladies, of that weird new kind of heart attack that has—trust us!—nothing to do with the vex! You young men watch out, too. It seems there is an enormous list of brand new kinds of heart attacks, strokes, and other maladies affecting you—soon after the vaccine. But that’s not proof it was the vex.

Not only are we sick of the panic, we’re sick of Experts, politicians

“A National Vaccine Pass Has Quietly Rolled Out – And Red States Are Getting On Board“. Again, like all things, this “smart pass” is named for its opposite. The infamous everywhere digital ID, which was—do I need to say it?—a conspiracy theory, has been verified.

#6. This administration has successfully forced through authoritarian mandates into the arms of a significant number of the population an experimental *NEW* technology drug in order to prove its efficacy without providing them proper information and the ability to make an informed choice for themselves and their families regarding their own health while denying them known and proven effective existing drugs and therapies.

All Strategy no Morality.

Ah, ideals.

Ideals go out the window or can go out the window once human beings become politically empowered.

The government and its agencies under this administration has accomplished exactly what they determined they had to accomplish. Joe Biden and Kammy Harris are accomplishing what they have been tasked with accomplishing. Primarily:

1. Flood the border with illegals in order to bolster the voting system to favor the democrat party.

2. Destroy as best as you can the American energy industry in order to save the planet as per the green new deal.

3. Foster and promote racism and the destruction of the Western family model. (Ala BLM).

4. Eviscerate and feminize the military.

5. Promote everything that is anti and un-American as per its founding. I will stop here.

The point? Joe and Kammy as per their Democrat party machine assigned goals have been very successful.

In contrast, see Sweden. Humm…where is our socialist buddy?

People here are talking about unrealistic ideals when expressing the need for collective action. Our US government is invested in aggregating power collectively and enriching themselves personally.

G.K. Chesterton wrote, “Saying ‘My country, right or wrong’ is like saying, ‘My mother, drunk or sober.'” Substitute country for government. Our government has failed again to be representative of the ideals that our country is based on.

This is not an either-or equation.

This is an equation having to do with degrees.

No one here is arguing that there not be any government, where do you get that? That happens to become your default position and it is not so.

Government is necessary, but it is a necessary evil.

Government is ALWAYS a threat to your Rights and freedom, ALWAYS. And the proof of that is the actions for example that have been instituted in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, alleged Democracies.

Liberals in charge in those governments become authoritarian and know no limits to their power as they subjectively interpret it. And ultimately, if need be, to make you and everyone else concerned “safe” they will justify breaking your door down, jailing you or shooting you in order to achieve their goal.

So again, it’s not an either-or equation, it’s an equation having to do with degrees and balance.

Is this a German thing? Are you just unable to grasp these kinds of concepts?

I know you are intelligent and can be a reasonable person, we agree on much.

But these concepts related to these subjects seem to fly over your head. And I wonder why?

That is the rationale, it seems reasonable to me, I don’t see anything in your comment that refutes that rationale.
There is this:

“Government at its very best is a blunt instrument. And at its worst it will cost you your freedom and or your life.

There are very few absolute statements that can be made in life, but that happens to be one of them.”

Which I entirely agree with, but I don’t see that as a refutation of the effectiveness of government imposed measures over no government imposed measures. Unless you’re an anarchist you accept the need for government, and government though usually blunt and inefficient can get stuff done that requires the members of a society to act with uniformity and in cohesion, like fighting enemy armies and viruses.

And the goal? To slow down the transmission of the air born virus in order to attempt to control the numbers of people having to interact with and possibly overload the healthcare system to where it crashes and is of no use to everyone. That is the primary rationale and purpose when the government deems it reasonable to declare a health emergency which gives it the authority to temporarily interfere with the people’s Rights and freedoms. That is it.

And when government seeks to force those same citizens through mandates and several other extreme measures that include a cadre of other perverted and self-interested entities to have injected into their bodies based on shaky at best data and evidence that *IT* can control the virus is and was fraudulent and a perversion and an abuse of power. To do such a thing without full disclosure and without choice is unreasonable.

In time this will all or most of it will be revealed to the general public, and the rational among them they will be outraged. And some? I am sure some will pay with their health for the rest of their lives because of it. And some will pay with their lives because of it.

Government at its very best is a blunt instrument. And at its worst it will cost you your freedom and or your life.

There are very few absolute statements that can be made in life, but that happens to be one of them.

When Robert sends his people, he’s not sending the best. […] He’s sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing denialism. They’re bringing Dunning-Kruger. They’re selfish. And some, I assume, are good people.

“When they call themselves the Good and the Just, do not forget that they would be Pharisees… if only they had – power!”

More evidence that the Church of Woke, in all its forms, is a fundamentalist cult where ignorant hubris begets hatred in the name of ¡¡¡SCIENCE!!!

“Take it if you can get it.”

That statement relates to the businesses concerned and not the taking of the mRNA experimental “Vaccine”.

https://youtu.be/cppkVOG7BVQ 6 min.

The biggest live biological experiment and proof of concept ever conducted on the human animal, ever.

And all done without any informed consent nor any liability risks.

Take it if you can get it.

RE: “Othered”

Embrace quiet solitude free from aggravating attentions for the gift that it is.

Cancellation is the assumption that the silenced won’t revolt in unknowable ways.

So certain they are, thus so predictable.

The rest of us get to be unpredictable.

Surprisingly.

Keep in mind in the graph for the unvaccinated.
If you suddenly die within two weeks of your shot, Second shot, or booster shot… You are put into the category of the unvaccinated which most are dying from old age or natural causes like cancer and heart disease, not of covid. (“with covid” so the hospitals gets paid extra)

Even though the “Science has Changed”, no one is apologizing. They are even madder at me now even though I never mention it.

Masks only reduce transmission by a moderate degree, social distancing works because covid is transmitted through the air but has a limited period of airborne viability.

Sweden and Norway are similar culturally and in terms of population density.

A lot of the criticism of mandates puts the cart in front of the horse, effectively claiming that mandates lead to high case numbers, reversing the actual sequence of mandates being imposed as a result of high and climbing case numbers.

Then we have people ignoring the different conditions that exist between dense urban environments like NY and low density more rural areas.

The vaccine never protected against infection or spread of the virus. They changed the definition of the vaccine to accommodate the mrna covid vaccines.

If the Sweden Norway is enough proof for you, you must be wildly excited about HCQ and Ivermectin. The standard/evidence is many levels above what you excepted as proof.

To get useful data I go back to the Scandinavian comparison of Norway and Sweden, Norway has half of Sweden’s population but had about a tenth of the deaths and the peaks were also a tenth as high. New Zealand which used mandates to eliminate outbreaks of covid 4 times has had to date less than 60 deaths. It’s now accepted omicron is inevitable and over the next year will see what other countries experienced in 2020/21, but with a milder strain of the virus and high vaccination rates it will have a tiny fraction of the number of deaths that other countries had.

The sequence in jurisdictions that used mandates (and had them adhered to) was always 1. Case numbers rise 2. Mandates imposed 3. Case numbers start to fall. With about 3 weeks between 2 and 3.

So mandates did work, whether or not they were justified is a judgement call.

I think while the government may make the argument that it is responding to current circumstances in updating policies, the main point that the science never supported the strategies which were employed in the first place.

Headline from the satire / humor site The Babylon Bee:

Putin Receives Nobel Prize In Medicine For Ending COVID Pandemic
https://babylonbee.com/news/putin-receives-nobel-prize-in-medicine-for-ending-covid-pandemic

Case in point: When the administration announced they had intelligence that Russia would invade Ukraine, I immediately thought it was another lie. I thought they knew Russia was posturing in force to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence and was getting ready to wind down training deployments. When there was no war the regime would take credit for averting it. Color me surprised when Russia actually attached.

I was doing pretty good believing the opposite of whatever the administration or their sycophants in corporate media are pushing. Next time I won’t know what to think.

It appears proofreading is not extinct, thanks. Nor is correction upon new evidence, thanks Robert.

Kyle is spot on – what is different about March 1, March 12, or sometime in 2023 for that matter?

Either the [fill in the blank] mandate has been effective in achieving a reduction in the spread/severity of the virus while it has been in place or it has not been effective in that period. If effective, continue it. If not, remove it immediately.

Robert correctly points out that the most damaging effect in the long run is the credibility that the public health establishment has squandered.

One small hope I have is that the “settled science” of climate change will be re-evaluated in light of the failures in the covid modelling.

? ? ? Cheers

And as a data point, the worst mid term election loss was 1894, when the Democrats lost 116 seats out of a 356 person House of Representives. Today that would require a 148 seat debacle. The Gingrich Revolution was 63 Congress Critters replaced.

GaryMike: Ditto.

Never once got a vaccination.

Own a couple morbidities.

Still breathing.

Still Free.