Leave it to Democrats to be the ones in favor of seceding from the Union. It is like the action by the Democrat-led southern states leading to the (un)Civil War or the Democrat-led petition in California, a couple of years ago, for that state to secede from the Union.

So much for the Democratic Party being the party of unity.

I am not surprised, since you don’t understand the comment that you failed to link to, but then you are only human.

“ Edward’s response then seemed to be …”

But it wasn’t my response. You have drawn conclusions that you desire (in science, this is known as confirmation bias), not conclusions based upon what you have quoted. You have conflated two different concepts.

I do not use ellipses in the way you used in the quote, so I am trusting that you have been honest about what you eliminated from it.

You seem to have saved a quote and have been eager to throw it back at me at some point, but you failed to understand the quote or you are just so desperate to use it that you do not care that it does not properly apply to your argument. Repeating your flawed argument does not make it any more correct.

Edwards statement here [” I keep hearing variations of this, such as, ‘vote-in the Democrat so that everyone can see how terrible they are.’ This has never worked, even under the worst Democrat: Obama. ” ] is the exact OPPOSITE of what he WAS saying several years ago after Trump was elected.

Edward’s response then seemed to be that we conservatives should LITERALLY vote for ,and return to power the likes of Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, and Warren…ie

[Edwards comment then]
“Well it was far, far better the last time that the Democrats owned both houses and the presidency than it is now with the Republicans in all three positions…If we vote for Democrats in November, we have a greater chance of a slowdown in the shift to the left…”.

Edward, you must NEVER admit, that is one hell of a flip flop, and I don’t expect you to.
Certainly, the quotes speak for themselves clearly to any fair minded reader.
But, if i am in error on the accuracy of any quote above, I will apologize effusively.

A “Protester” steals an AR from a burning cop car and it is taken away from him by someone who knows what they are doing.

All is being revealed.

All is being revealed and Trump is the catalyst that forces it.

The President has all the authority and precedent to do any number of actions in this instance, to *ensure the Laws of the United States are upheld.*

( Eisenhower, the 101st Airborne Division, and Little Rock, Arkansas comes to mind.)

Declare a nation wide Martial Law, which would allow the use of Federal military. Do you really want that headache for Seven blocks of freaking Seattle?. Or he can Federalize the Militia in Washington State to do the job.

Problem: According to 10 USC part 246 there are TWO classes of Militia:
“(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.”

Now the Insurrection Act,
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867467714/
That Trump could use predates 10 USC part 246, sooooo which Militia will Trump call up and Federalize?

And,… if the people of the State of Washington decline? In that case POTUS has ZERO authority to do squat except declare Martial Law. That would be a great way to start a Civil War, wow that outta be fun, but not a good way to resolve Seattle’s problems.

I say let Seattle burn. It’s just another Liberal Stronghold self destructing. They have the government they voted for. They can reap the whirlwind of stupid that they have called down. I wouldn’t want the Feds to spend one thin dime of my tax money on those reprobates. They are self destructive. They will self destruct. They are crammed into a small space with no medical facilities at all and no infrastructure. They are doomed to die a slow and agonized death by their own hands. Why stop them. Let it play out.

Let it all serve the rest of us as an example of the price of Stupidity. As I once read “Stupidity is the last universal capital offense.” Let Mother Nature pass sentence and execute judgement.

Thank you iso very much for including the link so that I could verify your statement and check the context. This does not look like it was from a few months after Trump was elected.

However, from what little you included, it looks as though I was not suggesting that everyone would learn what a terrible place America is under Democratic tyranny but that we are destined for such tyranny no matter which party is in power. Most likely it is some form of sarcasm that plays off the rapid move to the left that the Republican Party has been making for the past decade or two. By the way, the Republicans are still farther to the left than the Democrats were under Bill Clinton.

With Trump, tyranny is exactly where we are headed anyway, so I guess voting for lifelong Democrat Trump turned out to be the same as voting Democrat after all. I’m so glad to be getting the America that Democrats and Republicans deserve.

“And for the record …”

This is why I include direct quotes of what I comment upon, everyone can see what was written and know the context of my comment. My example was not the same as you said, and my comment was not that you said what you think I said but that examples have not worked in the past and we should not expect them to suddenly or miraculously work now.

DJN wrote: “Seattle has voted 100% Radical Democrat. Thanks to 100% mail in voting and jungle primary. Let it collapse. Things won’t change until the citizenry wakes up.”

Thanks to 100% mail-in voting, things will not change after the citizenry wakes up, either. That is the purpose of mail-in voting, the ability to tamper with the results in difficult to detect ways, and since our elections are not severely monitored, detection of subtle election fraud does not happen. There was even a county, a few years ago, that certified the results of a precinct despite more people having voted than were registered. California gives the Democrats a whole week in order to learn how many votes they need — and to insert them — in order to get the results they desire.

[‘chaz’ ….they will need to be physically-removed, so to speak]

All is being revealed.

( I think its great, the internal chaos will emerge in time, and I assure you that a vast majority of American tax paying law abiding citizens do not like what they are seeing and will be disgusted and will take the necessary steps in the coming elections. Leftist media political polls aside)

They have no idea what to do from here on out, but then again they don’t care. They just want to be outside smoking dope and living without a care or worry.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chaz-tweets-more-guns-gatorade-cigarettes-leadership

They confuse themselves still, why is that?

Because THEY are in fact in charge! (Or are suppose to be in charge anyway)

The politically correct “Progressive” Left and their millennial adherents are so childish and one dimensional. This is a movement of import to them, unfortunately its more like a bowel movement in reality.

My thinking from the very beginning of this entire Trump as president episode in American history has been that Trump is the American Constitutional catalyst that forces the Left and the Democrat leadership to reveal themselves to the American people for what they are, anti and un American Liberal and Leftist Democrat operators within. They are no longer able to hide and continue their lies and subversions with Trump as president. Trump forces their hand and makes everyone see behind the curtain that they have been hiding behind for decades doing their duplicitous and what turn out to be subversive activities.

And I believe that these Seattle “Progressive” radical street knuckle heads that have taken over a segment of the city and have designated it as a new country of sorts should be left to their own devices. The Democrats are tagged with them and will tap dance and hem and haw in trying to justify it all. The Democrats are stuck to them like fly paper, that’s good.

And after I wrote that ST6 comment I thought further and understood that these individuals, these “progressive” street radicals are for what ever reason unhappy American citizens and I think that they believe that they are within their rights to redress the government and even push revolution. I do not believe that to be a reasonable position, but I have to believe that they truly believe their position is valid and so are essentially at war with the current government. To replace it with what exactly I do not know and I am certain that none of them know either. Its so stupid, not thought thorough. Taking over territory sounds like a big deal and a good idea, but its strategically a liability. The people of America who love their country, go to work every day and pay their taxes to give the children a better and safe life DO NOT LIKE THIS.

That being said I thought that the ST6 comment was a bit over the top in my suggesting that the government send in elite troops within the borders of our country to retake and possibly kill, who, like them or not, are American citizens. This is a governor / mayor / police and national guard issue to be talked through and dealt with if they will not relinquish what they have taken control of.

(And I would have to assume that any type of justified, competent military action, specifically ST6 would have this situation sewn up in short order. But the potential for many to be injured or killed has a high probability. And no one really wants that. Its not a great idea to be the cause of them to be focused on and strategically studying and looking for you.)

So for the moment, as long as these street thugs are not doing any shooting, I choose to see these dopey idealistic Marxist “Revolutionary” knuckle heads in Seattle as dangerous domestic trouble makers. More wanna be terrorists who are to be dealt with in a firm manner, but allow them to hang themselves with their own actions. To further reveal the Left and the Democrats that are tied up with them, they are going to serve a useful function.

What in hell are they going to really accomplish here? I can not see that they have a rational exit plan here to move to the next step. What is their next step? Where is their next level? There is none, they are driving on a dead end road. And they are approaching its end quickly. Bad move IMO.

It sounds good to a bunch of dope smoking radicals, but its stupid.

Edward’s response then seemed to be that we conservatives should LITERALLY vote for ,and return to power the likes of Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, and Warren…ie

[Edwards comment then]
“Well it was far, far better the last time that the Democrats owned both houses and the presidency than it is now with the Republicans in all three positions…If we vote for Democrats in November, we have a greater chance of a slowdown in the shift to the left…”.

Edward, you must admit, that is one hell of a flip flop.

And for the record I am NOT implying to vote for a liberal leftist in November, but use this as a teaching tool for the rest of the middle of the road voters out there in November, which may be a much more effective tactic than the most forceful (and violent?) Federal response in this case right now.

To RZ: If you think some kind of Federal troop invasion of down town Seattle is the best possible response by Trump right now, you can make that case, but I and many others very much disagree… right now. But I hope it is not thought (nor is it fair to say) this opinion emanates from a “hatred” of the innocent people involved.

You mentioned Seal Team Six, Cotour? The man who created it has something to say that is pertinent to this discussion:

I will not be afraid to take action, because I know that almost any action is better than inaction. And I know that sometimes not acting is the boldest action of all … Richard Marcinko.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/05/24/chinese-arms-executives-indicted-in-smuggling/30a2a5a6-34d2-44b7-a3f6-60cdf6ea2245/

That was 24 years ago. How many times have they been successful?
Will you be surprised when some of these Maoist revolutionaries turn up with R.P.G.s, hand grenades, and fully automatic AK-47s?
How many “refugees” from unstable countries are here that know how to make car bombs and I.E.D.s ? Do you think the “Death to America” crows would be willing to help our homegrown communists?

Do drug cartels smuggle weapons into our nation as well as weapons? Do they help smuggle in violent enemies as well?

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/mexican-cartels-smuggle-terrorists-into-u-s-through-rural-texas-border-region/

These links are not anecdotal. There are many more.

To win a battle you must prepare the ground before you engage the enemy. Do you think our enemies have spent the last 30 years preparing?

Have you been preparing or just hoping that “they” will protect you?
You can legally buy a rifle, shotgun, or a pistol. What can you buy illegally from your local drug dealer/ gang?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1989-02-09-8903040117-story.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-reports-gang-infiltration-of-us-military

Things are further gone than you think people.

All is being revealed.

And the Left is already preparing for during and after the election to continue their reign of chaos and confusion. Why? because its all they have got.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/biden-trump-will-steal-election-says-military-haul-white-house/

Why is the American social experiment different than the Roman empire? One answer, the proscribed method of the transfer of power, the Constitution. No tribal warfare, no test of allegiance for military factions, just an orderly proscribed transfer of power.

But the Left must throw their monkey wrenches in where ever they can. By any means necessary, and I mean by ANY MEANS. And we have all been witness to their desperation in real time and right before our very eyes.

Why does anyone believe he will not be successful one more time?

The results of the November election are already clear. Trump will handle this liberal “crisis” just like he has been doing, and will easily win re-election.
Have faith!

“The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity…”

“…..a large group of English schoolboys, stranded on an desert island in the South Pacific after their aeroplane crashes….”

What, could possibly go wrong?

Lets watch and see which one takes full control and becomes the new warlord of Seattle.

Here is Chris Cuomo interviewing the mayor of Seattle. https://youtu.be/cXqcYPQm0WU

The mayor explains that CHAZ is basically a street fair / street festival, looks like a bunch of new age hippies to me. She takes the softest way of interpreting it, Just people milling around, for the moment. In time like in all good emerging country’s founding there must be a leader designated and I think in this case his name is Raz. And there at some point must be established the rules of law and order, and that will entail conflict between ideals, and that is where the violence will come from.

And again, I warn against a false flag / agent provocateur event that will be designed to set it all off if it is not happening fast enough for the real powers that be. Sorry, that is just where things like this go. The idealism of a bunch of new age hippies smoking dope on the street does not insulate them from some of the realities of real power and control. But if it is done in a sloppy manner and is plainly revealed it will have a very negative effect. So the violence that may well come from this situation is best to come as a true and natural expression of the chaos that it was germinated from.

Its walls, controlling borders, guns and power. I wonder what healthcare system they will be going with? In the end, after all of this protesting, looting and violence dies down there may well be some reforms arrived at related to policing methods, but where CHAZ goes in the long term is a hot mess from my point of view.

Just another arrow in the quiver.

Eventually they will become violent, we just have to look out for a false flag type event that would dilute the value of their Marxist activities in the eyes of the general public. They will claim false flag any way when the violence comes.

Really, what is the future of CHAZ? Where are they going? Who is going to do business with them on a long term basis? Will they be assigned a seat at the U.N.? Who are they in negotiations with and what exactly are they asking for?

After the election it will all be cleaned up, if it lasts that long.

I have come to the conclusion that the Seattle radicals are doing a great service in revealing just how bankrupt a segment of the Democrat party actually is, and the Democrat leadership is tied to them whether they like it or not. I love it.

Just allow it to stew.

“Six Days in July — Coverage of the 1967 Detroit riots”
WWJ News
https://youtu.be/xH-x7uGSDZM
1:28:38
(this is fairly good, if only from an historic standpoint.)

Guess who was the Governor during all this?
Contrast the coverage, with today.

Watch the video from CHAZ.

Road department barriers are up and getting more numerous.
Porta-potties are being installed everyplace.
The city is planning on keeping garbage service running.

And now NGO’s are moving in to help out.

They are surviving on handouts from rich people. Food delivered and dropped off in piles. Free to take.

They are so stupid they are trying to start a community garden.
They dumped some bags of potting soil on the ground in a field and put a few Dixie cupped vegetable plants in it along with a bunch of dope plants.

The next Slab city

wodun: I welcome all comments, but I really really wish people would read what I write before commenting. I clearly outline the exact law that gives Trump the legal power to intercede. Moreover, it has been used by presidents several times before in exactly these circumstances, the most recent of which were the riots in California following the Rodney King incident.

Our society relies in large part on the populace being honest and good natured. Unfortunately, we have a large segment of the population that uses our freedoms to subvert our society in an effort to tear it down and replace it with some sort of progressive marxist totalitarian dictatorship. It is especially tricky thing to deal with as our freedoms allow this to happen and at the same time, the progressive marxists wont/don’t allow those freedoms to exist when they have power.

“Something” needs done but what exactly?

One month from now a “No Fly Zone”?

There was video on Youtube called “Seattle is Dying” made last year. The way the mayor is acting, I think it is now officially dead.