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	Comments on: NASA reveals that it and Russia disagree about the danger posed by the airleak on ISS	</title>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2024 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the correction mkent,  The site I have been looking at has the zenith and nadir dockings listed and updated, but has not updated the aft dockings for some time.  I thought the Russians were pumping the propellant from the Progress spacecraft to Zvezda to use it&#039;s engines to boost the orbit.  I was wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction mkent,  The site I have been looking at has the zenith and nadir dockings listed and updated, but has not updated the aft dockings for some time.  I thought the Russians were pumping the propellant from the Progress spacecraft to Zvezda to use it&#8217;s engines to boost the orbit.  I was wrong.</p>
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		By: mkent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mkent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2024 00:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;” The Russians quit docking Progress and Soyuz modules directly on Zvezda’s aft port for a few years now.”&lt;/i&gt;

This is not correct.  Progress needs to be attached to the aft port of the Service Module in order to reboost the station.  Not coincidently, the Progress on mission ISS-89P is docked there now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>” The Russians quit docking Progress and Soyuz modules directly on Zvezda’s aft port for a few years now.”</i></p>
<p>This is not correct.  Progress needs to be attached to the aft port of the Service Module in order to reboost the station.  Not coincidently, the Progress on mission ISS-89P is docked there now.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Progress launch is scheduled for next week.  The Russians quit docking Progress and Soyuz modules directly on Zvezda&#039;s aft port for a few years now.  They have been docking to the Poisk module that is at the zenith port on Zvezda, and the Prichall module, which is connected to the Nauka module, which is connected to the nadir port of Zvezda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Progress launch is scheduled for next week.  The Russians quit docking Progress and Soyuz modules directly on Zvezda&#8217;s aft port for a few years now.  They have been docking to the Poisk module that is at the zenith port on Zvezda, and the Prichall module, which is connected to the Nauka module, which is connected to the nadir port of Zvezda.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/nasa-reveals-that-it-and-russia-disagree-about-the-danger-posed-by-the-airleak-on-iss/#comment-1531474&quot;&gt;Blair Ivey&lt;/a&gt;.

Blair Ivey: The air loss is actually not the main concern. The main concern is the fragility of the Zvezda module itself, caused by stress fractures. It is still used for Progress dockings, and Progress is still used to raise the orbit of the station. There is a growing fear that the module itself could crack catastrophically during those operations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/nasa-reveals-that-it-and-russia-disagree-about-the-danger-posed-by-the-airleak-on-iss/#comment-1531474">Blair Ivey</a>.</p>
<p>Blair Ivey: The air loss is actually not the main concern. The main concern is the fragility of the Zvezda module itself, caused by stress fractures. It is still used for Progress dockings, and Progress is still used to raise the orbit of the station. There is a growing fear that the module itself could crack catastrophically during those operations.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 06:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The given leakage rate seems alarmingly high, and a quick run of the numbers suggests concern. I am curious why the data is not given in Metric. I noted the same thing in &#039;The Martian&#039; film. Imperial it is, then. 

The habitable volume of Zvezda is given as 1650 ft^3. Leakage rate per 24/hr period looks to be around 3 lbs/day. Atmo in ISS is given as Earth ambient at Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP). Air at STP masses 0.07967 lbs/ft^3. Some arithmetic yields about 37.5 ft^3/day reverting to Space, or a little over 2% of the given volume. 

I know that the Russian side has a greater volume than the one module, but even if you cut the volume ratio in half, that&#039;s a lot of difficult-to-replace resource. Other variables constant, loss would likely follow a natural log curve as pressure decreased, perhaps reaching an &#039;acceptable&#039; level, if the atmospheric pressure was not reduced below minimums.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The given leakage rate seems alarmingly high, and a quick run of the numbers suggests concern. I am curious why the data is not given in Metric. I noted the same thing in &#8216;The Martian&#8217; film. Imperial it is, then. </p>
<p>The habitable volume of Zvezda is given as 1650 ft^3. Leakage rate per 24/hr period looks to be around 3 lbs/day. Atmo in ISS is given as Earth ambient at Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP). Air at STP masses 0.07967 lbs/ft^3. Some arithmetic yields about 37.5 ft^3/day reverting to Space, or a little over 2% of the given volume. </p>
<p>I know that the Russian side has a greater volume than the one module, but even if you cut the volume ratio in half, that&#8217;s a lot of difficult-to-replace resource. Other variables constant, loss would likely follow a natural log curve as pressure decreased, perhaps reaching an &#8216;acceptable&#8217; level, if the atmospheric pressure was not reduced below minimums.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2024 04:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An even worse PR outcome might be if the Russian side gradually became uninhabitable, and the Cosmonauts had to either leave or take shelter with the Astronauts, perhaps even unable to reach their own ships to evacuate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even worse PR outcome might be if the Russian side gradually became uninhabitable, and the Cosmonauts had to either leave or take shelter with the Astronauts, perhaps even unable to reach their own ships to evacuate.</p>
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		By: M. Murcek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Murcek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should the International Scam Station break up unexpectedly it will be a huge black eye for everyone involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the International Scam Station break up unexpectedly it will be a huge black eye for everyone involved.</p>
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