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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can not un-ring this bell.


My question is, if, if the judge, the courts, and our legislators find a way to outlaw this plan, just how do they plan on stopping the dissemination of the information over the internet?

They can&#039;t even stop music pirating and the music industry is financing a HUGE portion of the effort to do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not un-ring this bell.</p>
<p>My question is, if, if the judge, the courts, and our legislators find a way to outlaw this plan, just how do they plan on stopping the dissemination of the information over the internet?</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t even stop music pirating and the music industry is financing a HUGE portion of the effort to do that.</p>
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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a suppression of the freedom of speech and sets a dangerous precedent for censoring the publication of more mundane manufacturing methods that have existed for centuries.

Would the Democrats support the censoring of books that detail how to engage in direct action activities? Those have caused far more damage to society than homemade guns.

&lt;i&gt;Cotour
August 28, 2018 at 6:36 pm

Any machinist today could build a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like) with basic machine shop equipment. Go to a CNC and do it 1/4 of the time and extremely high quality.&lt;/i&gt;

I would say don&#039;t give them any ideas but the efforts to censor this guy are probably part of a larger effort to use the precedent of this case to go after self builds and regulate machine shops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a suppression of the freedom of speech and sets a dangerous precedent for censoring the publication of more mundane manufacturing methods that have existed for centuries.</p>
<p>Would the Democrats support the censoring of books that detail how to engage in direct action activities? Those have caused far more damage to society than homemade guns.</p>
<p><i>Cotour<br />
August 28, 2018 at 6:36 pm</p>
<p>Any machinist today could build a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like) with basic machine shop equipment. Go to a CNC and do it 1/4 of the time and extremely high quality.</i></p>
<p>I would say don&#8217;t give them any ideas but the efforts to censor this guy are probably part of a larger effort to use the precedent of this case to go after self builds and regulate machine shops.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The full brief from 2017 is here:
&quot;Defense Distributed v. U.S. Department of State&quot;
https://www.cato.org/publications/legal-briefs/defense-distributed-v-us-department-state]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full brief from 2017 is here:<br />
&#8220;Defense Distributed v. U.S. Department of State&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.cato.org/publications/legal-briefs/defense-distributed-v-us-department-state" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cato.org/publications/legal-briefs/defense-distributed-v-us-department-state</a></p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phill O--
When he (Wilson) originally printed the version-in-question (2013) they used; 
&quot;an $8,000 second-hand Stratasys Dimension SST 3D printer&quot; ...&quot;Fifteen of its 16 pieces were printed, the only non-printed piece is a common hardware store nail used as its firing pin.&quot;

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/05/meet-the-liberator-test-firing-the-worlds-first-fully-3d-printed-gun/#4efc545052d7

Forbes also notes, &quot;the CAD file was downloaded from Wilson&#039;s Defense Distributed over 100K times in 2013.&quot;
We&#039;re not un-ringing that bell, no matter what mr. judge-man says.

Mr. Z. is right on this one; I think we can all agree that this would be a sub-optimal weapon for ordinary use. It&#039;s the factoid that this Judge thinks he can regulate the information contained in this file, ostensibly merely because it is the modern digital equivalent of a blue-print for a &quot;gun.&quot;

Most people don&#039;t grow their own tomatoes, or grow their own weed, or synthesize their own methamphetamine, or make their own handguns, although it is well within the capability of the average person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phill O&#8211;<br />
When he (Wilson) originally printed the version-in-question (2013) they used;<br />
&#8220;an $8,000 second-hand Stratasys Dimension SST 3D printer&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;Fifteen of its 16 pieces were printed, the only non-printed piece is a common hardware store nail used as its firing pin.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/05/meet-the-liberator-test-firing-the-worlds-first-fully-3d-printed-gun/#4efc545052d7" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/05/meet-the-liberator-test-firing-the-worlds-first-fully-3d-printed-gun/#4efc545052d7</a></p>
<p>Forbes also notes, &#8220;the CAD file was downloaded from Wilson&#8217;s Defense Distributed over 100K times in 2013.&#8221;<br />
We&#8217;re not un-ringing that bell, no matter what mr. judge-man says.</p>
<p>Mr. Z. is right on this one; I think we can all agree that this would be a sub-optimal weapon for ordinary use. It&#8217;s the factoid that this Judge thinks he can regulate the information contained in this file, ostensibly merely because it is the modern digital equivalent of a blue-print for a &#8220;gun.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t grow their own tomatoes, or grow their own weed, or synthesize their own methamphetamine, or make their own handguns, although it is well within the capability of the average person.</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, lest we become obsessed with the practicalities of technology the Zman&#039;s point is superior.

The technology controversy is but a BS vehicle for the legal system to set some legal precedent to take even more freedom of communication and rights from the people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, lest we become obsessed with the practicalities of technology the Zman&#8217;s point is superior.</p>
<p>The technology controversy is but a BS vehicle for the legal system to set some legal precedent to take even more freedom of communication and rights from the people.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-gun-files-still-available-to-public-despite-judges-ruling/#comment-1058384&quot;&gt;pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

I think too many of the commenters here are missing the point. The issue here isn&#039;t the gun, it is the chutzpah of a single judge deciding he, and he alone, has the right to ban what can or cannot be published. The 3D gun might be crap, but so what? If the precedent is set that a judge can ban the publication of anything he or she dislikes, the first amendment is lost.

This is why the maker of these software files made them available. He wished to tell that judge to go to hell. &lt;strong&gt;That&lt;/strong&gt; is the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-gun-files-still-available-to-public-despite-judges-ruling/#comment-1058384">pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>I think too many of the commenters here are missing the point. The issue here isn&#8217;t the gun, it is the chutzpah of a single judge deciding he, and he alone, has the right to ban what can or cannot be published. The 3D gun might be crap, but so what? If the precedent is set that a judge can ban the publication of anything he or she dislikes, the first amendment is lost.</p>
<p>This is why the maker of these software files made them available. He wished to tell that judge to go to hell. <strong>That</strong> is the point.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 18:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Use a very low pressure round. Nothing over a .25ACP,.32ACP, .22rf,.22short or 22longrifle.  Anything bigger and the gun goes boom.

Without rifling the bullet will not stabilize and might tumble inside 3 feet.  Thus useless.

It would only be good at a touch type weapon. Push it in their ribs and fire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use a very low pressure round. Nothing over a .25ACP,.32ACP, .22rf,.22short or 22longrifle.  Anything bigger and the gun goes boom.</p>
<p>Without rifling the bullet will not stabilize and might tumble inside 3 feet.  Thus useless.</p>
<p>It would only be good at a touch type weapon. Push it in their ribs and fire.</p>
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		By: Col Beausabre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Col Beausabre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is perfectly legal to build your own firearm. From the Bureau&#039;s website

Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. 

[18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105] 

Last Reviewed November 6, 2017

So unless it is an automatic (&quot;NFA&quot;) or &quot;undetectable&quot; (burden of proof of such on the government) weapon, go for it. (Presumably the NFA approval and tax payment info is for someone who is building a prototype - otherwise no one could respond to a military or law enforcement requirement for such a weapon)

Question about this design, doesn&#039;t it require a metal barrel and breach to withstand the pressures involved ? So would be detectable ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is perfectly legal to build your own firearm. From the Bureau&#8217;s website</p>
<p>Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?</p>
<p>No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. </p>
<p>[18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105] </p>
<p>Last Reviewed November 6, 2017</p>
<p>So unless it is an automatic (&#8220;NFA&#8221;) or &#8220;undetectable&#8221; (burden of proof of such on the government) weapon, go for it. (Presumably the NFA approval and tax payment info is for someone who is building a prototype &#8211; otherwise no one could respond to a military or law enforcement requirement for such a weapon)</p>
<p>Question about this design, doesn&#8217;t it require a metal barrel and breach to withstand the pressures involved ? So would be detectable ?</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To my point, an example:  https://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/buy-printer/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my point, an example:  <a href="https://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/buy-printer/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/buy-printer/</a></p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And so if you all agree with me that begs the question. Why the mass hysteria?

I will assume it is for 1. To set the atmosphere to pass some law that hampers these technology uses and 2. To further pump the hysteria in the media, it sounds terrifying to some, a new issue to be outraged about and to fear.

They have no idea what already exists in the real world forget about the coming level of affordable technologies to do pretty much what you like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so if you all agree with me that begs the question. Why the mass hysteria?</p>
<p>I will assume it is for 1. To set the atmosphere to pass some law that hampers these technology uses and 2. To further pump the hysteria in the media, it sounds terrifying to some, a new issue to be outraged about and to fear.</p>
<p>They have no idea what already exists in the real world forget about the coming level of affordable technologies to do pretty much what you like.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the Alternative Universe, this mastermind Judge (and his entire extended family) would be disappeared off shore. Just who exactly, does he think he is?

Yes-- much ado about nothing. This File has been freely available since 2013.

Cody Wilson &#038; Glenn Beck
March, 2013
https://youtu.be/HK6-kbdHE2A
9:51

Includes the infamous &quot;..under who&#039;s conception, under which paradigm?...&quot; retort by Wilson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Alternative Universe, this mastermind Judge (and his entire extended family) would be disappeared off shore. Just who exactly, does he think he is?</p>
<p>Yes&#8211; much ado about nothing. This File has been freely available since 2013.</p>
<p>Cody Wilson &amp; Glenn Beck<br />
March, 2013<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/HK6-kbdHE2A" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/HK6-kbdHE2A</a><br />
9:51</p>
<p>Includes the infamous &#8220;..under who&#8217;s conception, under which paradigm?&#8230;&#8221; retort by Wilson.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The sad thing is I could make a gun very much like this out of blocks of nylon plastic.

One block for the barrel. Glued to a block for the receiver and a grip glued to that.
The hammer is a specially cut and shaped block of plastic with a metallic firing pin.
I don&#039;t need a spring I would use a rubber band.

No trigger needed just pull the hammer back and let it go.

I have left out one important safety part but it doesn&#039;t get glued in.

I could even make a metal rifled barrel that WOULD get through TSA x-ray checks. And that would let me be deadly at ranges farther that 10 feet.

I would have to do some real work on the bullets but thats coming together as we type. The US military is developing light weight fully plastic cases and bullets.

By the way, I already know I could do this so I have no need or intent to try any of this.

A loved the idiot judges reason for stopping the publishing of the plans. It was something like &#039;the plans might get into cities and states that do not allow firearms.&#039;
I guess he doesn&#039;t know what the dark web is.

These guns do not violate ITAR and the fact they are on the internet does not violate any US state law or regulation. They are not stolen corporate copyrights so no problem there.
And quite frankly the design pretty must stinks. It could be better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is I could make a gun very much like this out of blocks of nylon plastic.</p>
<p>One block for the barrel. Glued to a block for the receiver and a grip glued to that.<br />
The hammer is a specially cut and shaped block of plastic with a metallic firing pin.<br />
I don&#8217;t need a spring I would use a rubber band.</p>
<p>No trigger needed just pull the hammer back and let it go.</p>
<p>I have left out one important safety part but it doesn&#8217;t get glued in.</p>
<p>I could even make a metal rifled barrel that WOULD get through TSA x-ray checks. And that would let me be deadly at ranges farther that 10 feet.</p>
<p>I would have to do some real work on the bullets but thats coming together as we type. The US military is developing light weight fully plastic cases and bullets.</p>
<p>By the way, I already know I could do this so I have no need or intent to try any of this.</p>
<p>A loved the idiot judges reason for stopping the publishing of the plans. It was something like &#8216;the plans might get into cities and states that do not allow firearms.&#8217;<br />
I guess he doesn&#8217;t know what the dark web is.</p>
<p>These guns do not violate ITAR and the fact they are on the internet does not violate any US state law or regulation. They are not stolen corporate copyrights so no problem there.<br />
And quite frankly the design pretty must stinks. It could be better.</p>
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		By: hondo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a Berretta PX/Storm 9mm compact - what in God&#039;s name would I do (or want) with a single shot plastic zip gun with no range or reliability, let alone the inherent safety issues.
Much ado about nothing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Berretta PX/Storm 9mm compact &#8211; what in God&#8217;s name would I do (or want) with a single shot plastic zip gun with no range or reliability, let alone the inherent safety issues.<br />
Much ado about nothing?</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a BS issue.

What is to prevent anyone who has the technology from designing their own 3D printed gun in any CAD program and pushing the button? Just put in your specs. Its a modern version of a zip gun, one shot. Yes, its plastic but the bullet is still made of metal. Any machinist today could build a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like) with basic machine shop equipment. Go to a CNC and do it 1/4 of the time and extremely high quality.

https://youtu.be/pq1TXEE_QK4    These guys make them in the jungle with files and hacksaws.

Its just a non issue being fear mongered and pumped in the media. Some day there will be affordable machines and you will push the button and out will come a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like).

A machine that could print todays version I am sure you could buy for under $5K, maybe less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a BS issue.</p>
<p>What is to prevent anyone who has the technology from designing their own 3D printed gun in any CAD program and pushing the button? Just put in your specs. Its a modern version of a zip gun, one shot. Yes, its plastic but the bullet is still made of metal. Any machinist today could build a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like) with basic machine shop equipment. Go to a CNC and do it 1/4 of the time and extremely high quality.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/pq1TXEE_QK4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/pq1TXEE_QK4</a>    These guys make them in the jungle with files and hacksaws.</p>
<p>Its just a non issue being fear mongered and pumped in the media. Some day there will be affordable machines and you will push the button and out will come a fully functioning (Choose the gun you would like).</p>
<p>A machine that could print todays version I am sure you could buy for under $5K, maybe less.</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-gun-files-still-available-to-public-despite-judges-ruling/#comment-1058349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is for the software.  What is the cost of the 3D printer?

Just asking!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for the software.  What is the cost of the 3D printer?</p>
<p>Just asking!</p>
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