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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ken anthony wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;It just seems these ideas are not by serious people. Will the habitats they build on the moon be vacant?&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to have a habitat to live in when you first arrive on the Moon rather than spend a month living in the cramped lunar module while you build your first habitat?  With enough adaptability in your robot or remotely operated machinery, the machines should be able to work around problems that come up -- and problems always do.  They can spend weeks or months building facilities before people arrive.  

The discussion had moved away from the idea of sending a prefab habitat for the first mission crew (missionaries?) to the idea of laying brick or concrete, using in situ materials rather than expend the resources moving all the materials from the deep gravity well of the Earth.  Either way, it would be more productive for the crew on the Moon to be doing science and other things that are not as repetitive as construction or brick making.  It costs a fortune to put people on the Moon, so they might as well be productive in ways that robots and machinery are not.  

I suspect that the reality is that first-generation habitats will be sent to the Moon from Earth, requiring minimal construction effort, second-generation habitats will be made with in situ materials, and third-generation habitats will be made with more advanced refining of in situ materials and more advanced construction techniques.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ken anthony wrote: &#8220;<i>It just seems these ideas are not by serious people. Will the habitats they build on the moon be vacant?</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to have a habitat to live in when you first arrive on the Moon rather than spend a month living in the cramped lunar module while you build your first habitat?  With enough adaptability in your robot or remotely operated machinery, the machines should be able to work around problems that come up &#8212; and problems always do.  They can spend weeks or months building facilities before people arrive.  </p>
<p>The discussion had moved away from the idea of sending a prefab habitat for the first mission crew (missionaries?) to the idea of laying brick or concrete, using in situ materials rather than expend the resources moving all the materials from the deep gravity well of the Earth.  Either way, it would be more productive for the crew on the Moon to be doing science and other things that are not as repetitive as construction or brick making.  It costs a fortune to put people on the Moon, so they might as well be productive in ways that robots and machinery are not.  </p>
<p>I suspect that the reality is that first-generation habitats will be sent to the Moon from Earth, requiring minimal construction effort, second-generation habitats will be made with in situ materials, and third-generation habitats will be made with more advanced refining of in situ materials and more advanced construction techniques.</p>
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		By: PeterF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 18:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anybody notice that Elon Musk is starting another boring company?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody notice that Elon Musk is starting another boring company?</p>
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		By: ken anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 07:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It just seems these ideas are not by serious people. Will the habitats they build on the moon be vacant? If not, then humans will be around to do the construction that follows. We don&#039;t need robots to build anything. It&#039;s easy enough to transport the first habitat along with the tools to construct more.

We need to get material engineers (and not) on the moon and let them play. Allow people to own what they build and the optimum methods/designs will soon rise to the top.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just seems these ideas are not by serious people. Will the habitats they build on the moon be vacant? If not, then humans will be around to do the construction that follows. We don&#8217;t need robots to build anything. It&#8217;s easy enough to transport the first habitat along with the tools to construct more.</p>
<p>We need to get material engineers (and not) on the moon and let them play. Allow people to own what they build and the optimum methods/designs will soon rise to the top.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 06:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robots are a nice safe idea but they just do not have the intelligence to layout and prep a sight for building.
Plus robots will not be able to make field repairs on any of the equipment.

We barely have self driving cars now. When we have self driving semis that refuel themselves and load and unload themselves then we MIGHT be close to having automated construction machines. 
On earth but not in the remotes of space.

Man will pave the way for robots. 

Manpower and intelligence is ready today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robots are a nice safe idea but they just do not have the intelligence to layout and prep a sight for building.<br />
Plus robots will not be able to make field repairs on any of the equipment.</p>
<p>We barely have self driving cars now. When we have self driving semis that refuel themselves and load and unload themselves then we MIGHT be close to having automated construction machines.<br />
On earth but not in the remotes of space.</p>
<p>Man will pave the way for robots. </p>
<p>Manpower and intelligence is ready today.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 23:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pzatchok, 
My intention was to support your thinking.  However, I do not think that large amounts of manpower is needed, as robots or remotely controlled machinery could perform most of the work before people arrive.  

I had been thinking of sealing the interior, but your idea of recovering as much water as possible is good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pzatchok,<br />
My intention was to support your thinking.  However, I do not think that large amounts of manpower is needed, as robots or remotely controlled machinery could perform most of the work before people arrive.  </p>
<p>I had been thinking of sealing the interior, but your idea of recovering as much water as possible is good.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thats pretty much the same as my idea.

Except that cement is a little porous. So air will escape. Plus it might crack during curing and or drying;

So my idea keeps the sealed dome bag on the outside. Plus my idea lets you recover as much as possible of the valuable water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats pretty much the same as my idea.</p>
<p>Except that cement is a little porous. So air will escape. Plus it might crack during curing and or drying;</p>
<p>So my idea keeps the sealed dome bag on the outside. Plus my idea lets you recover as much as possible of the valuable water.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 00:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no need to be fancy with the early lunar construction.  Near San Francisco is the &quot;Flintstone House,&quot; built fairly simply, and people actually do live in it.     
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flintstone_House 

The point being that what seems funky can be functional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no need to be fancy with the early lunar construction.  Near San Francisco is the &#8220;Flintstone House,&#8221; built fairly simply, and people actually do live in it.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flintstone_House" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flintstone_House</a> </p>
<p>The point being that what seems funky can be functional.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 21:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pzatchok-- that&#039;s the type of thinking I favor.

(The least processing one can get away with.)

pivoting slightly--This is an intriguing methodology: &quot;Earth-bag&quot; construction. 

Underground Earth Bag Building Ep 3
Building Considerations - Strengthen the Walls
https://youtu.be/pRkD3Nb-U0E
(8:39)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pzatchok&#8211; that&#8217;s the type of thinking I favor.</p>
<p>(The least processing one can get away with.)</p>
<p>pivoting slightly&#8211;This is an intriguing methodology: &#8220;Earth-bag&#8221; construction. </p>
<p>Underground Earth Bag Building Ep 3<br />
Building Considerations &#8211; Strengthen the Walls<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/pRkD3Nb-U0E" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/pRkD3Nb-U0E</a><br />
(8:39)</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 05:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I still say the fastest way to construct habitats on the moon would be by large amounts of manpower.


Drop onto the surface temporary shelters that inflate. Bigalow can provide these today.
Someone has to go up and flatten the ground with &#039;earth&#039; movers so larger structures can be installed.

I truly think a thinner than normal Bigalow dome could be the form for a spray coated concrete liner. 
Using gravel sized regolith as your aggregate would make the concrete cheaper to produce and most of the water would be recovered during and after the curing process. A simple dehumidifier does the water recovery so it can be recycled into the next load of concrete.

As your permanent domes are hardened and finished just cover them with several feet of sand sized regolith for further micrometeorite protection. 

Connect the domes with flexible tubes in case of lunar quakes.

The brick idea is fine. But in order to not use a hardening mortar you have to shape the drinks a little like Lego blocks. A pair of &#039;posts&#039; on the top of each brick and a pair of sockets in the bottom of each brick. Sand in between each brick.
The bricks would not be solid but would float a little.
You could shape the bricks so they form arches and domes better. 
You could form arches over the flexible rubes and then cover those arches with regolith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still say the fastest way to construct habitats on the moon would be by large amounts of manpower.</p>
<p>Drop onto the surface temporary shelters that inflate. Bigalow can provide these today.<br />
Someone has to go up and flatten the ground with &#8216;earth&#8217; movers so larger structures can be installed.</p>
<p>I truly think a thinner than normal Bigalow dome could be the form for a spray coated concrete liner.<br />
Using gravel sized regolith as your aggregate would make the concrete cheaper to produce and most of the water would be recovered during and after the curing process. A simple dehumidifier does the water recovery so it can be recycled into the next load of concrete.</p>
<p>As your permanent domes are hardened and finished just cover them with several feet of sand sized regolith for further micrometeorite protection. </p>
<p>Connect the domes with flexible tubes in case of lunar quakes.</p>
<p>The brick idea is fine. But in order to not use a hardening mortar you have to shape the drinks a little like Lego blocks. A pair of &#8216;posts&#8217; on the top of each brick and a pair of sockets in the bottom of each brick. Sand in between each brick.<br />
The bricks would not be solid but would float a little.<br />
You could shape the bricks so they form arches and domes better.<br />
You could form arches over the flexible rubes and then cover those arches with regolith.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 07:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not impressed, I&#039;ve seen better bricks made with a drop Forge. I&#039;ve made better blocks out of salt in a 50 ton press for Cows. 
      3-D printing has many uses, but bricks for the moon? I don&#039;t think so. overkill, waste of resources.
 Wayne said,  &quot;lowest levels of technology that gets the job done&quot;. I agree. We have hundreds of years of casting technology that could make an entire dwelling with one pour. I have a magnifying glass 2&#039; by 18 inches that can melt thin metal, or melt patterns on bricks.  
    It would only take a few mirrors to reflect the raw sunlight on a crucible made for space that could pour out the entire dome shaped building suitable for habitation within hours.
     The crucible can be made from iron pulled from the surface with nothing more than a bar magnet. Modern crushing and or separation would occur after the Infrastructure has been created. Bricks would be a temporary support for the infrastructure, not to live in.
     If they can melt sodium in the California desert inside a atmosphere, melting regolith into glass on a airless low gravity moon should pose no problem.  
     The airlock would pose a more refined problem, perhaps the 3-D printer for precise fit would be a better application. 

 For power, a simple steam generator would be self-contained with proven technology  having off-the-shelf reliability and low maintenance. The temperature in the lunar sun is 250°, just enough to boil water that would otherwise be sitting in a storage tank somewhere. 
    When the sun goes down for 14 days, perhaps it would be better to be underground and insulated against the 300° below zero temperatures on the surface.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not impressed, I&#8217;ve seen better bricks made with a drop Forge. I&#8217;ve made better blocks out of salt in a 50 ton press for Cows.<br />
      3-D printing has many uses, but bricks for the moon? I don&#8217;t think so. overkill, waste of resources.<br />
 Wayne said,  &#8220;lowest levels of technology that gets the job done&#8221;. I agree. We have hundreds of years of casting technology that could make an entire dwelling with one pour. I have a magnifying glass 2&#8242; by 18 inches that can melt thin metal, or melt patterns on bricks.<br />
    It would only take a few mirrors to reflect the raw sunlight on a crucible made for space that could pour out the entire dome shaped building suitable for habitation within hours.<br />
     The crucible can be made from iron pulled from the surface with nothing more than a bar magnet. Modern crushing and or separation would occur after the Infrastructure has been created. Bricks would be a temporary support for the infrastructure, not to live in.<br />
     If they can melt sodium in the California desert inside a atmosphere, melting regolith into glass on a airless low gravity moon should pose no problem.<br />
     The airlock would pose a more refined problem, perhaps the 3-D printer for precise fit would be a better application. </p>
<p> For power, a simple steam generator would be self-contained with proven technology  having off-the-shelf reliability and low maintenance. The temperature in the lunar sun is 250°, just enough to boil water that would otherwise be sitting in a storage tank somewhere.<br />
    When the sun goes down for 14 days, perhaps it would be better to be underground and insulated against the 300° below zero temperatures on the surface.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 05:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[--I&#039;d like more information on &quot;the CNC / sintered / robot construction solution.&quot; And what materials are going to be transformed by what process into what useful building material, for what end-purpose?
--When did we invent all these autonomous robotic manufacturing processes?

I&#039;m seriously doubting initial settlement of the Moon is going to take the form of 2017 America, with sleek, brushed-aluminum interiors, back-lit by Solar FREAKIN&#039; roadway technology lights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;I&#8217;d like more information on &#8220;the CNC / sintered / robot construction solution.&#8221; And what materials are going to be transformed by what process into what useful building material, for what end-purpose?<br />
&#8211;When did we invent all these autonomous robotic manufacturing processes?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seriously doubting initial settlement of the Moon is going to take the form of 2017 America, with sleek, brushed-aluminum interiors, back-lit by Solar FREAKIN&#8217; roadway technology lights.</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that the concept of the &quot;brick&quot; is more an earth type construction modality. The manufacture of a brick and then the manufacture of some other material to adhere it to itself is IMO a non starter. And when you take into consideration the extreme variation of temperatures, low gravity and the problem extracting water and hydrogen from the existing local material I think the go to building model becomes the CNC / scintered / robot construction solution.  

These structures will be made by planting a complete manufacturing system package which will have solar and probably some sort of &quot;safe&quot; nuclear power generation system (or an ECAT?)  on the surface of the moon. I assume initially they will be complete inflatable enclosures that could be covered by local material for protection and then there will be enclosures dug deeper into the surface that will be more complex and made in one complete sealed and bonded enclosure. And then there will be the tunnel potential, if they are determined to be stable.

We will have to bring some level of material initially but the goal will always be to develop on site manufacturing capabilities both metals and ceramics, gases and liquids. These robots will be flown to a location and will autonomously set out to build these sites readying them for human inspection and habitation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the concept of the &#8220;brick&#8221; is more an earth type construction modality. The manufacture of a brick and then the manufacture of some other material to adhere it to itself is IMO a non starter. And when you take into consideration the extreme variation of temperatures, low gravity and the problem extracting water and hydrogen from the existing local material I think the go to building model becomes the CNC / scintered / robot construction solution.  </p>
<p>These structures will be made by planting a complete manufacturing system package which will have solar and probably some sort of &#8220;safe&#8221; nuclear power generation system (or an ECAT?)  on the surface of the moon. I assume initially they will be complete inflatable enclosures that could be covered by local material for protection and then there will be enclosures dug deeper into the surface that will be more complex and made in one complete sealed and bonded enclosure. And then there will be the tunnel potential, if they are determined to be stable.</p>
<p>We will have to bring some level of material initially but the goal will always be to develop on site manufacturing capabilities both metals and ceramics, gases and liquids. These robots will be flown to a location and will autonomously set out to build these sites readying them for human inspection and habitation.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 23:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those who think that this test is a failure, notice that a lot of information has been gleaned from the test.  

It has shown that the concept of concentrating solar radiation to heat the material into some form of construction material is likely valid, rather than depending upon electrical generation.  

It has shown that at the temperatures reached, merely heating lunar regolith in place will not create the lunar roadway surfaces that have been envisioned by some.  It has not answered the question of what temperature is needed for this road-building process, or whether this process is feasible.  

It shows that lunar soil can be formed into construction material of some amount of strength, although a greater strength or reduced friability may be desirable for construction.  

Garry is correct.  This is only the start of the investigation into practical lunar construction using in situ materials, rather than materials lifted out of Earth&#039;s gravity well.  

Cotour is correct.  Just as on Earth, local materials are the least expensive to use for construction.  I recall driving on a highway that has a pink hue, in northeastern Minnesota, because that is the color of the local rock.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who think that this test is a failure, notice that a lot of information has been gleaned from the test.  </p>
<p>It has shown that the concept of concentrating solar radiation to heat the material into some form of construction material is likely valid, rather than depending upon electrical generation.  </p>
<p>It has shown that at the temperatures reached, merely heating lunar regolith in place will not create the lunar roadway surfaces that have been envisioned by some.  It has not answered the question of what temperature is needed for this road-building process, or whether this process is feasible.  </p>
<p>It shows that lunar soil can be formed into construction material of some amount of strength, although a greater strength or reduced friability may be desirable for construction.  </p>
<p>Garry is correct.  This is only the start of the investigation into practical lunar construction using in situ materials, rather than materials lifted out of Earth&#8217;s gravity well.  </p>
<p>Cotour is correct.  Just as on Earth, local materials are the least expensive to use for construction.  I recall driving on a highway that has a pink hue, in northeastern Minnesota, because that is the color of the local rock.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 23:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cotour-- 
Correction-- I can see laser&#039;s finishing bricks, but just not in the medium/short-term.

I&#039;m thinking more 1st/2nd-generation local (Moon) manufacture of such items, on a survival/establishment basis. 
The brick might not be the best building material format to conceptualize for the Moon. We would also need a Moon conducive method to mortar the bricks together. 
--My house basement &#038; foundation for example, all poured concrete. Cool &#038; quick process-- dug the hole, set up forms &#038; re-bar, and pumped a slurry of cement into them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cotour&#8211;<br />
Correction&#8211; I can see laser&#8217;s finishing bricks, but just not in the medium/short-term.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking more 1st/2nd-generation local (Moon) manufacture of such items, on a survival/establishment basis.<br />
The brick might not be the best building material format to conceptualize for the Moon. We would also need a Moon conducive method to mortar the bricks together.<br />
&#8211;My house basement &amp; foundation for example, all poured concrete. Cool &amp; quick process&#8211; dug the hole, set up forms &amp; re-bar, and pumped a slurry of cement into them.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cotour--

Autarky will, of course be a long term goal for Moon settlement. You do however triage vital implements/resources and bring them along, whether it&#039;s across the Great Plains or Space. As you establish indigenous capability, you can import less.  

To say however, that *any&quot; imported raw materials required, would be a non-starter, is to understate the problem.

Referencing electricity requirements for any sort of industrial-process at scale; solar panels aren&#039;t up to the job. Making aluminum for example, is electricity intensive.
And most common chemical-reactions don&#039;t occur at ambient Moon (or Earth) temperature.
On the upside however-- the vacuum of the Moon presents a number of advantages. 

I&#039;d prefer to &quot;make brick on the Moon,&quot; with the lowest level of technology that can get the job done, and I&#039;m doubting that involves laser&#039;s, which would have to be imported as well. 

But, who knows? -I don&#039;t claim to have the solution, I only play a Materials Engineer, on the interweb.)

and..trying to be cognizant of the First Rule of Space Advocacy, &quot;You aren&#039;t allowed to rain on other people&#039;s parades.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cotour&#8211;</p>
<p>Autarky will, of course be a long term goal for Moon settlement. You do however triage vital implements/resources and bring them along, whether it&#8217;s across the Great Plains or Space. As you establish indigenous capability, you can import less.  </p>
<p>To say however, that *any&#8221; imported raw materials required, would be a non-starter, is to understate the problem.</p>
<p>Referencing electricity requirements for any sort of industrial-process at scale; solar panels aren&#8217;t up to the job. Making aluminum for example, is electricity intensive.<br />
And most common chemical-reactions don&#8217;t occur at ambient Moon (or Earth) temperature.<br />
On the upside however&#8211; the vacuum of the Moon presents a number of advantages. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer to &#8220;make brick on the Moon,&#8221; with the lowest level of technology that can get the job done, and I&#8217;m doubting that involves laser&#8217;s, which would have to be imported as well. </p>
<p>But, who knows? -I don&#8217;t claim to have the solution, I only play a Materials Engineer, on the interweb.)</p>
<p>and..trying to be cognizant of the First Rule of Space Advocacy, &#8220;You aren&#8217;t allowed to rain on other people&#8217;s parades.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne:

The challenge is to process the existing material on the moon or where ever you happen to find yourself. To create a system that needs any raw materials imported to the moon, or an asteroid, from the earth is a non starter. Turn solar power into electricity in order to extract Water / Oxygen / Hydrogen etc. and then using the electrical power producing ability to drive machines I.E lasers in order to melt and combine the materials found on site is the winning model.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne:</p>
<p>The challenge is to process the existing material on the moon or where ever you happen to find yourself. To create a system that needs any raw materials imported to the moon, or an asteroid, from the earth is a non starter. Turn solar power into electricity in order to extract Water / Oxygen / Hydrogen etc. and then using the electrical power producing ability to drive machines I.E lasers in order to melt and combine the materials found on site is the winning model.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-printing-of-bricks-using-moondust/#comment-981396&quot;&gt;LocalFluff&lt;/a&gt;.

LocalFluff: The reason I demand courtesy and good language is to force the commenters to raise themselves up from animals and savages. If someone can&#039;t behave like a civilized and thoughtful person and has to descend to curse words and insults, then they really don&#039;t belong here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-printing-of-bricks-using-moondust/#comment-981396">LocalFluff</a>.</p>
<p>LocalFluff: The reason I demand courtesy and good language is to force the commenters to raise themselves up from animals and savages. If someone can&#8217;t behave like a civilized and thoughtful person and has to descend to curse words and insults, then they really don&#8217;t belong here.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Garry-- for my money, it&#039;s going to have to be some sort of imported plastic derivative, which gets mixed with Moon &quot;dirt,&quot; and is able to bind it together &#038; react with it, with minimal additional processing. 


They might want to re-define what they call a &quot;brick.&quot;Let us not forget, &quot;bricks&quot; have to be fired to chemically fuse together.  You mix a pre-screened clay type mineral together with water, which has to be extruded into a mold to form, and then energy must be added to complete the chemical-reaction. Load-bearing bricks don&#039;t &quot;dry,&quot; they have to be fired.  

Brief History of brickmaking in the United States
http://brickcollecting.com/history.htm
(with links to modern day manufacturing techniques)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garry&#8211; for my money, it&#8217;s going to have to be some sort of imported plastic derivative, which gets mixed with Moon &#8220;dirt,&#8221; and is able to bind it together &amp; react with it, with minimal additional processing. </p>
<p>They might want to re-define what they call a &#8220;brick.&#8221;Let us not forget, &#8220;bricks&#8221; have to be fired to chemically fuse together.  You mix a pre-screened clay type mineral together with water, which has to be extruded into a mold to form, and then energy must be added to complete the chemical-reaction. Load-bearing bricks don&#8217;t &#8220;dry,&#8221; they have to be fired.  </p>
<p>Brief History of brickmaking in the United States<br />
<a href="http://brickcollecting.com/history.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://brickcollecting.com/history.htm</a><br />
(with links to modern day manufacturing techniques)</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, Robert. I will use medical latin when describing what this ESA brick looks like. Out of respect for all the children who read your blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Robert. I will use medical latin when describing what this ESA brick looks like. Out of respect for all the children who read your blog.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 20:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something like combining this: https://youtu.be/g8sT8ESfjrg

And this: https://youtu.be/WzmCnzA7hnE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something like combining this: <a href="https://youtu.be/g8sT8ESfjrg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/g8sT8ESfjrg</a></p>
<p>And this: <a href="https://youtu.be/WzmCnzA7hnE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/WzmCnzA7hnE</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I might tend to investigate the simple processing of the moon material and flowing that processed material to a CNC controlled head where solar panels would also drive a high powered Laser delivered through a flexible fiber optics cable that would do the bonding of the material into what ever exact shape was needed. 

Although this is a more complex solution I think it might be faster and achieve better quality control. Sometimes the simplest solutions are just too simple. This technology seems too simple to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might tend to investigate the simple processing of the moon material and flowing that processed material to a CNC controlled head where solar panels would also drive a high powered Laser delivered through a flexible fiber optics cable that would do the bonding of the material into what ever exact shape was needed. </p>
<p>Although this is a more complex solution I think it might be faster and achieve better quality control. Sometimes the simplest solutions are just too simple. This technology seems too simple to me.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 18:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-printing-of-bricks-using-moondust/#comment-981363&quot;&gt;LocalFluff&lt;/a&gt;.

LocalFluff: Watch your language! I do not tolerate cursing or four-letter words on Behind the Black. Do it again and I will be forced to consider banning, even though I would regret it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/3d-printing-of-bricks-using-moondust/#comment-981363">LocalFluff</a>.</p>
<p>LocalFluff: Watch your language! I do not tolerate cursing or four-letter words on Behind the Black. Do it again and I will be forced to consider banning, even though I would regret it.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an experiment it might have been successful, depending on the requirements. But in terms of spaceflight it is not helpful. All components used in spaceflight are pretty rigorously quality checked. This brick which looks like a brittle piece of [deleted] doesn&#039;t fit in. Building a Lunar colony using this stuff, that won&#039;t happen. It is very important to study how Lunar resources can be made useful, I love these guys and envy their jobs. But they should wait with publishing their results until they have any. This didn&#039;t work.

Just a few hundred yards from my home, there are cows who &quot;3D-print&quot; bricks like that every day.

About 24 minutes into this video (sorry for the horrible video player they insist on using at SSERVI), an experiment is mentioned, in a passing way, that concentrated sunlight on Lunar regolith in an artificial methane atmosphere. Solid iron just pops up out of the ground! Solid metal is much easier to handle than any ceramics. Our Moon is an iron Moon! Exploring it will dawn the second iron age.
https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p3vb1u5ijgy/?launcher=false&#038;fcsContent=true&#038;pbMode=normal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an experiment it might have been successful, depending on the requirements. But in terms of spaceflight it is not helpful. All components used in spaceflight are pretty rigorously quality checked. This brick which looks like a brittle piece of [deleted] doesn&#8217;t fit in. Building a Lunar colony using this stuff, that won&#8217;t happen. It is very important to study how Lunar resources can be made useful, I love these guys and envy their jobs. But they should wait with publishing their results until they have any. This didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Just a few hundred yards from my home, there are cows who &#8220;3D-print&#8221; bricks like that every day.</p>
<p>About 24 minutes into this video (sorry for the horrible video player they insist on using at SSERVI), an experiment is mentioned, in a passing way, that concentrated sunlight on Lunar regolith in an artificial methane atmosphere. Solid iron just pops up out of the ground! Solid metal is much easier to handle than any ceramics. Our Moon is an iron Moon! Exploring it will dawn the second iron age.<br />
<a href="https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p3vb1u5ijgy/?launcher=false&#038;fcsContent=true&#038;pbMode=normal" rel="nofollow ugc">https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p3vb1u5ijgy/?launcher=false&#038;fcsContent=true&#038;pbMode=normal</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It might be worthwhile to investigate coating the bricks with something to hold them together better.  There might be value in using the moon dust to bear the compression load, with the coating holding the bricks themselves intact.  

I have no idea what that substance might be; it would have to be very cohesive, require only a thin coat, and allow bonding to whatever is going to serve as the mortar.  Perhaps the coating could be applied by 3D printing.  Of course, it would also have to be usable in a vacuum, withstand extreme temperature changes, etc.

This looks like the first of what may be a huge number of steps before anything practical is realized.  We have to start somewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be worthwhile to investigate coating the bricks with something to hold them together better.  There might be value in using the moon dust to bear the compression load, with the coating holding the bricks themselves intact.  </p>
<p>I have no idea what that substance might be; it would have to be very cohesive, require only a thin coat, and allow bonding to whatever is going to serve as the mortar.  Perhaps the coating could be applied by 3D printing.  Of course, it would also have to be usable in a vacuum, withstand extreme temperature changes, etc.</p>
<p>This looks like the first of what may be a huge number of steps before anything practical is realized.  We have to start somewhere.</p>
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