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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2022 03:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wayne, 
Try the following chart: 
https://i.imgur.com/SqdzxzF.png

Adding up the various delta-v numbers along the Jupiter path gives an escape delta-v of 17.2 km/s from a 2,000 km orbit (probably circular).  Since the escape velocity from a circular orbit is the square root of two times the circular orbital velocity, this gives an escape velocity of 24.3 km/s.  

I suspect that there are lower stable orbits, but your use of the word &quot;ideal&quot; throws me off, because &quot;ideal&quot; could be different for different missions.  For instance, the Juno probe&#039;s ideal orbit is different than for the Galileo probe  (It is also lower than its current orbit, but engine troubles caused NASA to leave it in the more eccentric orbit that it is in now.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne,<br />
Try the following chart:<br />
<a href="https://i.imgur.com/SqdzxzF.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://i.imgur.com/SqdzxzF.png</a></p>
<p>Adding up the various delta-v numbers along the Jupiter path gives an escape delta-v of 17.2 km/s from a 2,000 km orbit (probably circular).  Since the escape velocity from a circular orbit is the square root of two times the circular orbital velocity, this gives an escape velocity of 24.3 km/s.  </p>
<p>I suspect that there are lower stable orbits, but your use of the word &#8220;ideal&#8221; throws me off, because &#8220;ideal&#8221; could be different for different missions.  For instance, the Juno probe&#8217;s ideal orbit is different than for the Galileo probe  (It is also lower than its current orbit, but engine troubles caused NASA to leave it in the more eccentric orbit that it is in now.)</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 03:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Telford-
Thanks for those concise factoids!

Q: What is the &#039;escape velocity&#039; for Jupiter? 
And... can I assume there is an ideal &#039;closest stable-orbit?&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Telford-<br />
Thanks for those concise factoids!</p>
<p>Q: What is the &#8216;escape velocity&#8217; for Jupiter?<br />
And&#8230; can I assume there is an ideal &#8216;closest stable-orbit?&#8217;</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 03:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/a-pseudo-oblique-view-of-jupiters-cloud-tops/#comment-1365402&quot;&gt;Blackwing1&lt;/a&gt;.

Blackwing1: Thank you for your kind words. I write about subjects that either interest me, or my mind considers too important to ignore. Thus, my eclectic tastes, which do not fit into any obvious mold.

Some might be bothered by this. I say, freedom means each person follows the path that works for them. And when I see anyone trying to squelch that freedom,  I get very angry. Which is why I write the blacklist column, and constantly express my sad but deep contempt for today&#039;s Democratic Party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/a-pseudo-oblique-view-of-jupiters-cloud-tops/#comment-1365402">Blackwing1</a>.</p>
<p>Blackwing1: Thank you for your kind words. I write about subjects that either interest me, or my mind considers too important to ignore. Thus, my eclectic tastes, which do not fit into any obvious mold.</p>
<p>Some might be bothered by this. I say, freedom means each person follows the path that works for them. And when I see anyone trying to squelch that freedom,  I get very angry. Which is why I write the blacklist column, and constantly express my sad but deep contempt for today&#8217;s Democratic Party.</p>
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		By: Blackwing1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 02:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Zimmerman, I am continuously amazed by the imagery that turns up on this web site.  This cloud-top picture of Jupiter, even if massively computer-enhanced to appear 3D is simply stunning.  Thank you for taking the time to run this web site and post this material.

I also appreciate your &quot;today&#039;s blacklisted by collectivist&quot; posts.

Best Regards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Zimmerman, I am continuously amazed by the imagery that turns up on this web site.  This cloud-top picture of Jupiter, even if massively computer-enhanced to appear 3D is simply stunning.  Thank you for taking the time to run this web site and post this material.</p>
<p>I also appreciate your &#8220;today&#8217;s blacklisted by collectivist&#8221; posts.</p>
<p>Best Regards.</p>
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		By: David Telford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Telford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve Richter:  Jupiter has no solid surface as we&#039;d know it.  Below the clouds the atmosphere becomes a hydrogen-helium blend, and it gets denser and hotter as you go deeper.  But it is always a fluid.  Eventually the conditions exceed anything we can build to withstand it.

The Galileo probe had an atmospheric probe that dropped down into and below the clouds.  Check out the &quot;Planetery Data Base&quot; for those data.  Eventually the probe failed for the heat and pressure.

Leaving a Jupiter orbit is not impossible, but it takes a sizable boost compared to earth.  Probes like Galileo and Juno are in highly elliptical orbits.  They are easier to break free from the planet with a relatively smaller boost than would be from a circular orbit.  And it always depends on how far away you are at &quot;perijove&quot; - the closest approach in an orbit.  The further away you are, the easier it is to break free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Richter:  Jupiter has no solid surface as we&#8217;d know it.  Below the clouds the atmosphere becomes a hydrogen-helium blend, and it gets denser and hotter as you go deeper.  But it is always a fluid.  Eventually the conditions exceed anything we can build to withstand it.</p>
<p>The Galileo probe had an atmospheric probe that dropped down into and below the clouds.  Check out the &#8220;Planetery Data Base&#8221; for those data.  Eventually the probe failed for the heat and pressure.</p>
<p>Leaving a Jupiter orbit is not impossible, but it takes a sizable boost compared to earth.  Probes like Galileo and Juno are in highly elliptical orbits.  They are easier to break free from the planet with a relatively smaller boost than would be from a circular orbit.  And it always depends on how far away you are at &#8220;perijove&#8221; &#8211; the closest approach in an orbit.  The further away you are, the easier it is to break free.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are there any plans to land something on Jupiter?  Is that even possible?   The gravitational pull of Jupiter - does that make it impossible for an orbiting probe to ever leave that orbit?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any plans to land something on Jupiter?  Is that even possible?   The gravitational pull of Jupiter &#8211; does that make it impossible for an orbiting probe to ever leave that orbit?</p>
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