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		By: Wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve-- I aim to please! (thank you)
Ever since I bailed completely on FOX news last Fall, I have extra time to consume a lot of this type-of-material, and I am (hopefully) fairly picky.

LocalFluff-- yes, we shall see. (I&#039;m no special pleader for this Star or the Tabitha-girl pushing it. There&#039;s an element of showboating involved, that doesn&#039;t sit 100% with me. If the SETI people are spending their own money however, more power to them.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8211; I aim to please! (thank you)<br />
Ever since I bailed completely on FOX news last Fall, I have extra time to consume a lot of this type-of-material, and I am (hopefully) fairly picky.</p>
<p>LocalFluff&#8211; yes, we shall see. (I&#8217;m no special pleader for this Star or the Tabitha-girl pushing it. There&#8217;s an element of showboating involved, that doesn&#8217;t sit 100% with me. If the SETI people are spending their own money however, more power to them.)</p>
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		By: LocalFluff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LocalFluff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wayne: Again. Fig. 2 in that paper about the 100 year dimming, shows three episodes rather than a dimming trend. From about 1900 to 1960 the brightness was relatively stable. Earlier it was higher, later it was lower. If it is astrophysical it seems to require sudden transitions between brightness states, which is completely foreign to stellar physics.

The paper anyway disproves that there be transits of comets, it just isn&#039;t possible in this quantity over 100 years. The ingress and egress profile of the dimmings already precluding transits of anything. So will the observations of one single telescope of one star out of 160,000 at the same time revolutionize astrophysics? I don&#039;t think so. It will remain unconfirmed and slowly become forgotten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne: Again. Fig. 2 in that paper about the 100 year dimming, shows three episodes rather than a dimming trend. From about 1900 to 1960 the brightness was relatively stable. Earlier it was higher, later it was lower. If it is astrophysical it seems to require sudden transitions between brightness states, which is completely foreign to stellar physics.</p>
<p>The paper anyway disproves that there be transits of comets, it just isn&#8217;t possible in this quantity over 100 years. The ingress and egress profile of the dimmings already precluding transits of anything. So will the observations of one single telescope of one star out of 160,000 at the same time revolutionize astrophysics? I don&#8217;t think so. It will remain unconfirmed and slowly become forgotten.</p>
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		By: Steve Earle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Earle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne said:
&quot;...Informative, recent, presentation from Jason Wright

Frontiers in Artifact SETI:
Waste Heat, Alien Megastructures &#038; Tabbys Star
– Jason Wright (ST 2016)
https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM  ...&quot;

Thanks Wayne, as usual you have just the right link at just the right time :-)  

That is a very interesting video and answers many questions, as well as raising even more about Tabby&#039;s Star 

I think I agree with the speaker, if it&#039;s not an alien megastructure, then most likely it is due to some sort of moving dust or debris in the intervening space between us and the star....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne said:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Informative, recent, presentation from Jason Wright</p>
<p>Frontiers in Artifact SETI:<br />
Waste Heat, Alien Megastructures &amp; Tabbys Star<br />
– Jason Wright (ST 2016)<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM</a>  &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks Wayne, as usual you have just the right link at just the right time :-)  </p>
<p>That is a very interesting video and answers many questions, as well as raising even more about Tabby&#8217;s Star </p>
<p>I think I agree with the speaker, if it&#8217;s not an alien megastructure, then most likely it is due to some sort of moving dust or debris in the intervening space between us and the star&#8230;.</p>
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		By: LocalFluff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wayne Independent observations from ground based telescopes will give us the answer any day now. It&#039;s been a year since discovery (by data mining archived observations made a few years ago) so it is certainly observed constantly. Either there are dips and dimming, or there&#039;s not. It will be very obvious. One year and counting. No news yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne Independent observations from ground based telescopes will give us the answer any day now. It&#8217;s been a year since discovery (by data mining archived observations made a few years ago) so it is certainly observed constantly. Either there are dips and dimming, or there&#8217;s not. It will be very obvious. One year and counting. No news yet.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(I&#039;m getting above my pay-grade.)

The historical-record paper, using analysis of the glass plate&#039;s, is at:

&quot;KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century From 1890 To 1989&quot;
https://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256

Granted, there are problems associated with photographic plates, but he used a fairly large sample-size, across time, and something is not readily understandable.

As for the Kepler data; I believe it was designed to detect &quot;candidates&quot; primarily &#038; then a variety of methods (optical &#038; radio) would be used to follow up in detail. It did &#038; does have it&#039;s technical limits, hence the Greenbank follow-up, with the alien-theme thrown in for PR of some sort, by someone, for some reason... but there is something going on.

(That&#039;s about all I know.... and it&#039;s the &quot;Robert C. Byrd Greenbank Observatory.&quot; and we had a thread on that a few weeks ago.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m getting above my pay-grade.)</p>
<p>The historical-record paper, using analysis of the glass plate&#8217;s, is at:</p>
<p>&#8220;KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century From 1890 To 1989&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256" rel="nofollow ugc">https://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256</a></p>
<p>Granted, there are problems associated with photographic plates, but he used a fairly large sample-size, across time, and something is not readily understandable.</p>
<p>As for the Kepler data; I believe it was designed to detect &#8220;candidates&#8221; primarily &amp; then a variety of methods (optical &amp; radio) would be used to follow up in detail. It did &amp; does have it&#8217;s technical limits, hence the Greenbank follow-up, with the alien-theme thrown in for PR of some sort, by someone, for some reason&#8230; but there is something going on.</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s about all I know&#8230;. and it&#8217;s the &#8220;Robert C. Byrd Greenbank Observatory.&#8221; and we had a thread on that a few weeks ago.)</p>
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		By: LocalFluff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LocalFluff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know of any other telescope than Kepler1 observing any dip in Tabby&#039;s star. The interpretations of photographic plates since 100 years introduces other dubies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know of any other telescope than Kepler1 observing any dip in Tabby&#8217;s star. The interpretations of photographic plates since 100 years introduces other dubies.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Localfluff--
Definitely check out that video link if you have time. (he talks slow, you can speed up playback a bit.)
&#062;First 1/2 he (Wright) over-views current knowledge, limits, and techniques, for both optical &#038; radio telescope observations &#038; what the Kepler data showed, &#038; the second 1/2 is specifically about Tabby&#039;s Star and what they proposed to do using the Greenbank facility, which is now going forward.
They address a few of the issues you touch upon, and what they would look for in the data as far as it related to SETI type stuff.
 
(I&#039;m not big on the &quot;alien megastructure&quot; concept myself, at-all, but there is something going on we don&#039;t understand.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Localfluff&#8211;<br />
Definitely check out that video link if you have time. (he talks slow, you can speed up playback a bit.)<br />
&gt;First 1/2 he (Wright) over-views current knowledge, limits, and techniques, for both optical &amp; radio telescope observations &amp; what the Kepler data showed, &amp; the second 1/2 is specifically about Tabby&#8217;s Star and what they proposed to do using the Greenbank facility, which is now going forward.<br />
They address a few of the issues you touch upon, and what they would look for in the data as far as it related to SETI type stuff.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not big on the &#8220;alien megastructure&#8221; concept myself, at-all, but there is something going on we don&#8217;t understand.)</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/aggressive-seti-observations-of-tabbys-star-upcoming/#comment-941642&quot;&gt;Localfluff&lt;/a&gt;.

LocalFluff wrote, &quot;Kepler is the only telescope which has seen it.&quot;

I&#039;ve pointed this out to you before but it obviously didn&#039;t register. You are wrong. The inexplicable and unprecedented changes in the star&#039;s brightness have been observed by multiple observations from multiple telescopes, including the historical record going back almost a hundred years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/aggressive-seti-observations-of-tabbys-star-upcoming/#comment-941642">Localfluff</a>.</p>
<p>LocalFluff wrote, &#8220;Kepler is the only telescope which has seen it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pointed this out to you before but it obviously didn&#8217;t register. You are wrong. The inexplicable and unprecedented changes in the star&#8217;s brightness have been observed by multiple observations from multiple telescopes, including the historical record going back almost a hundred years.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Informative, recent, presentation from Jason Wright

Frontiers in Artifact SETI: 
Waste Heat, Alien Megastructures &#038; Tabbys Star 
- Jason Wright (ST 2016)
https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM

(Totally off-the-wall; This star is 1,400 light-years away; we have time to build the Invasion Fleet or the Planetary Defense Shield.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative, recent, presentation from Jason Wright</p>
<p>Frontiers in Artifact SETI:<br />
Waste Heat, Alien Megastructures &amp; Tabbys Star<br />
&#8211; Jason Wright (ST 2016)<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/XEDR-G2EDRM</a></p>
<p>(Totally off-the-wall; This star is 1,400 light-years away; we have time to build the Invasion Fleet or the Planetary Defense Shield.)</p>
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		By: Localfluff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Localfluff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s as good as any other star, it is a somewhat Sun like star (about 50% more massive).  But I reiterate my suspicion that the dips are because of something wrong with the Kepler telescope or the data processing concerning that single small area of a few pixels on its big CCD which has observed the dips in that star&#039;s light curve.

Kepler is the only telescope which has seen it. Half a dozen dips during 4 years were a few to 22% deep and lasted days to weeks. Easily detected with a small ground based telescope. Now one year after the announcement, no one has reported any dips, and I bet that many small telescopes are looking at it constantly (when the season allows). The steady dimming of a few percent over 4 years were also based on data from Kepler. It does complicate the error which must be involved, but it is not an independent confirmation. The dimming over 100 years is based on historic photo plates from many observatories and seems complicated to do with good reliability.

If the dimmings is a natural phenomena, we will have direct observations of new dips any day now. We should already have had. I bet that they&#039;ll never be confirmed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s as good as any other star, it is a somewhat Sun like star (about 50% more massive).  But I reiterate my suspicion that the dips are because of something wrong with the Kepler telescope or the data processing concerning that single small area of a few pixels on its big CCD which has observed the dips in that star&#8217;s light curve.</p>
<p>Kepler is the only telescope which has seen it. Half a dozen dips during 4 years were a few to 22% deep and lasted days to weeks. Easily detected with a small ground based telescope. Now one year after the announcement, no one has reported any dips, and I bet that many small telescopes are looking at it constantly (when the season allows). The steady dimming of a few percent over 4 years were also based on data from Kepler. It does complicate the error which must be involved, but it is not an independent confirmation. The dimming over 100 years is based on historic photo plates from many observatories and seems complicated to do with good reliability.</p>
<p>If the dimmings is a natural phenomena, we will have direct observations of new dips any day now. We should already have had. I bet that they&#8217;ll never be confirmed.</p>
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