Why should I google Soyuz T-10 when it was one of the two very launch abort successes I described in my earlier comments? In writing about this launch abort for my book Leaving Earth I used information gathered during a face-to-face interview with Gennady Strekalov in Moscow.

Granted, people do not cite their sources all the time, but when you make a statement and others ask you to back that claim up with your sources, it behooves you to do so. If you can’t, it then behooves you to retract the claim.

You claimed that the Russians lost an astronaut during a launch abort. This claim is wrong. You can’t cite any sources for it because it never happened. When I am wrong I always make a point of admitting it immediately, since doing otherwise only digs the hole deeper in a way that does me even more harm. You should learn to do the same. It would help clear your thinking.

An angry chimp? I’d more expect he’d rip someone’s arm off.

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And how often do you attribute your off the cuff assumptions? Or anyone else here?

If your curious and don’t want to just google Soyuz T-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_7K-ST_No._16L

“Whatever.. no time to dig around for it. Could be a rumored other failure later disproved – or real one that got buried.”

This is classic, especially the “Whatever.” You assert a fact you don’t know is true, and in fact is well known to be very false, and when I call you on it you say “Whatever”?

Meanwhile, your first paragraph continues to assert these false facts, without any attribution. It sure makes you look like a complete fool, with very little help on my part.

I know the Soyuz T-10 in ’83 had a pad abort that the escape system worked from, but I read of a earlier one where their were fatalities… a ejection system I think… Been to long.

The Soyuz launch failure in 73 didn’t involve a launch escape system. Though One of the guys did get beat up pretty bad.
… or was that one in ’75 where they bounced down the side of a mountain??? Oberg talked about that in Reds Star I think?..
Oh no that was a separate failure http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html

>…On April 5, 1975, two cosmonauts were dumped onto the Altai Mountains in the world’s first manned space launch abort. Pilot Vasily Lazarev and flight eng;ineer Oleg Makarov survived a harrowing 20 G descent and then a bouncing ride down a mountainside before their spacecraft came to a safe stop. ….. cosmonaut Vasily Lazarev recounted the events of his aborted space shot on April 5, 1975, when his Soyuz 18-1 booster malfunctioned and his capsule bounced down a Siberian mountainside near the Chinese border ..<

Whatever.. no time to dig around for it. Could be a rumored other failure later disproved – or real one that got buried.

What records of launch aborts are you talking about? No Russian has ever died in a launch abort. None. Two launches had aborts, one on the launch pad and a second while first stage was firing prior to reaching orbit. In both cases the launch abort systems worked as designed, getting the Soyuz capsule safely away from the rocket and bringing it down safely to Earth.

According to every piece of data I have ever uncovered, read, or discovered in my many interviews and research in Russia on their space program, the only Russian deaths in space occurred during landings, first with the first Soyuz flight and second with the return of the first crew to their first space station.

If you know of another death that I am forgetting about or that only you know about, please describe it in detail, with your references. Otherwise, stop making up facts to fit your theories. It doesn’t serve your arguments well.

Yeah and Ham wasn’t actually smiling, he was screaming his head off.
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Actually of the two Cosmonauts I’ve seen records of aborting, only 1 survived.

Also theres little of the flight profile that allows the use of such abort systems.

“well as often as not all capsule aborts kill you anyway,”

And what may your evidence be for this statement? Based on history, it is completely false. The only two launch aborts that have ever happened, both on Russian Soyuz rockets/capsules, worked perfectly and the crews came home quite safe and unharmed.

well as often as not all capsule aborts kill you anyway, so the panels the last thing you need to worry about.
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