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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wodun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think SpaceX would have got the same reaction, so it doesn&#039;t look like a change in how NASA operates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think SpaceX would have got the same reaction, so it doesn&#8217;t look like a change in how NASA operates.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So it depends on the goals of the test:
Capsule safe - OK
Chute deploy. - 33% failure

I agree with David, I have not seen modern “big-aerospace” able to turn an analyze-implement- test- reevaluate solution around in a month on anything including on how to put the roll on the toilet paper holder.

If one chute can safely lower the capsule then there may be a slim justification.  however, if not a deployment failure on this test does not look good if called a success....even if the high and mighty NASA “declares” it a success]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it depends on the goals of the test:<br />
Capsule safe &#8211; OK<br />
Chute deploy. &#8211; 33% failure</p>
<p>I agree with David, I have not seen modern “big-aerospace” able to turn an analyze-implement- test- reevaluate solution around in a month on anything including on how to put the roll on the toilet paper holder.</p>
<p>If one chute can safely lower the capsule then there may be a slim justification.  however, if not a deployment failure on this test does not look good if called a success&#8230;.even if the high and mighty NASA “declares” it a success</p>
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		By: David M. Cook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M. Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 02:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The same thing happened to Apollo, one of three chutes failed during a pad abort test.  This did not stall the program; it just showed that two chutes would safely lower the capsule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened to Apollo, one of three chutes failed during a pad abort test.  This did not stall the program; it just showed that two chutes would safely lower the capsule.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 22:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/boeing-nasa-declare-pad-abort-test-a-success/#comment-1072581&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

David. Heh. My problem is that I assume everyone should work at the pace demonstrated by SpaceX (following a very old and traditional American know-how and culture). I thereofore often forget that everyone does not work that way, by choice.

However, if I can somehow encourage Boeing to improve its work ethic, why not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/boeing-nasa-declare-pad-abort-test-a-success/#comment-1072581">David</a>.</p>
<p>David. Heh. My problem is that I assume everyone should work at the pace demonstrated by SpaceX (following a very old and traditional American know-how and culture). I thereofore often forget that everyone does not work that way, by choice.</p>
<p>However, if I can somehow encourage Boeing to improve its work ethic, why not?</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Testing any fix on the december test would be great, but if you think Boeing can figure out what happened, get a fix developed and in place on that capsule without affecting the timeline of the December launch... well, I want to know who you are and what happened to the real Robert Zimmerman.  Boeing has demonstrated over and over that it just doesn&#039;t do anything relating to these space projects on that kind of timeline.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testing any fix on the december test would be great, but if you think Boeing can figure out what happened, get a fix developed and in place on that capsule without affecting the timeline of the December launch&#8230; well, I want to know who you are and what happened to the real Robert Zimmerman.  Boeing has demonstrated over and over that it just doesn&#8217;t do anything relating to these space projects on that kind of timeline.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/boeing-nasa-declare-pad-abort-test-a-success/#comment-1072580</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/boeing-nasa-declare-pad-abort-test-a-success/#comment-1072579&quot;&gt;Richard M&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard M: It occurs to me that,. rather than do another pad abort test, Boeing could actually test a correction to this parachute deployment issue during the return of the Starliner capsule after docking with ISS in December.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/boeing-nasa-declare-pad-abort-test-a-success/#comment-1072579">Richard M</a>.</p>
<p>Richard M: It occurs to me that,. rather than do another pad abort test, Boeing could actually test a correction to this parachute deployment issue during the return of the Starliner capsule after docking with ISS in December.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t question that there&#039;s a Boeing tilt and pressure to get these vehicles off the ground, but I also can&#039;t see NASA giving a green light to the crew flight until Boeing sorts out this parachute failure. Even if they wanted to, ASAP would throw a collective fit (this is what they do). 

But this shouldn&#039;t be a delay to the Boeing OFT flight. Kathy Lueders noted weeks ago that ths pad abort was not on its critical path. So, get it flying. 

Really though, much as I favor SpaceX in all this, we really do need these vehicles flying as soon as possible. Both of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t question that there&#8217;s a Boeing tilt and pressure to get these vehicles off the ground, but I also can&#8217;t see NASA giving a green light to the crew flight until Boeing sorts out this parachute failure. Even if they wanted to, ASAP would throw a collective fit (this is what they do). </p>
<p>But this shouldn&#8217;t be a delay to the Boeing OFT flight. Kathy Lueders noted weeks ago that ths pad abort was not on its critical path. So, get it flying. </p>
<p>Really though, much as I favor SpaceX in all this, we really do need these vehicles flying as soon as possible. Both of them.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These initial reactions to the test result don&#039;t tell us very much.  I&#039;ll believe the culture has changed when we don&#039;t see this result raised as a concern two dozen times during the run up to the first manned flight.  

I fully expect that there will be a review, Boeing will implement a fix, and there will be some kind of hardware test program, perhaps repeating this test or perhaps not, depending on what the identified issue is, before the manned flight.  The question will be how quickly Boeing gets that done, and how long NASA takes to review and approve the results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These initial reactions to the test result don&#8217;t tell us very much.  I&#8217;ll believe the culture has changed when we don&#8217;t see this result raised as a concern two dozen times during the run up to the first manned flight.  </p>
<p>I fully expect that there will be a review, Boeing will implement a fix, and there will be some kind of hardware test program, perhaps repeating this test or perhaps not, depending on what the identified issue is, before the manned flight.  The question will be how quickly Boeing gets that done, and how long NASA takes to review and approve the results.</p>
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