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		By: CouvMan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Efficiency? I think you mean affordability]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efficiency? I think you mean affordability</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The magic word in this new tech is Nano.

As far as I know we have no way of manufacturing anything Nana on an industrial scale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magic word in this new tech is Nano.</p>
<p>As far as I know we have no way of manufacturing anything Nana on an industrial scale.</p>
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		By: Gealon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will stick with either Nickel Iron or Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries for my big projects. Trendy new technologies always have problems in the beginning. Case in point, when NiMH batteries became easily available I bought a few since they had roughly twice the storage capacity of my NiCad. Every single one of them died within a year of purchase and the Nicads, to this day (~15 years) still work. Even today, I buy NIMH&#039;s for some projects but the cell failure rate it astounding.

Nickel Iron on the other hand is a very old technology and has a superb cycle life when properly maintained, some have lasted 70 years. Seventy Years. Granted they are large and heavy, with about three times the capacity of a lead acid battery for their mass, putting them below NiCads in terms of energy density, but their longevity and robust construction make them a much better investment for stationary projects or even electric vehicles.

Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFe), like it&#039;s Lithium Ion brothers has a very high energy density. While LiFe&#039;s have somewhat less of a storage capacity then then Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer, their best selling point is that unlike either of these two popular chemistries, LiFe&#039;s don&#039;t explode when shorted, punctured or heated, making them ideal for high current applications. I frankly find it mystifying why Mr. Musk isn&#039;t looking into this technology, especially considering those unsightly garage fires.

Anyway, enough sounding like a battery commercial. Just wanted to share my insights into the technology and express a healthy skepticism about this &quot;Magic goo.&quot; My skepticism is not that it works or not, I&#039;m sure that it does, likely because the goo is increasing the surface area within the battery. My skepticism is aimed rather at whether this technology will be embraced. The battery companies already have a product that makes them a lot of money, they aren&#039;t going to invest in something new unless they can make more money then it would cost to retool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will stick with either Nickel Iron or Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries for my big projects. Trendy new technologies always have problems in the beginning. Case in point, when NiMH batteries became easily available I bought a few since they had roughly twice the storage capacity of my NiCad. Every single one of them died within a year of purchase and the Nicads, to this day (~15 years) still work. Even today, I buy NIMH&#8217;s for some projects but the cell failure rate it astounding.</p>
<p>Nickel Iron on the other hand is a very old technology and has a superb cycle life when properly maintained, some have lasted 70 years. Seventy Years. Granted they are large and heavy, with about three times the capacity of a lead acid battery for their mass, putting them below NiCads in terms of energy density, but their longevity and robust construction make them a much better investment for stationary projects or even electric vehicles.</p>
<p>Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFe), like it&#8217;s Lithium Ion brothers has a very high energy density. While LiFe&#8217;s have somewhat less of a storage capacity then then Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer, their best selling point is that unlike either of these two popular chemistries, LiFe&#8217;s don&#8217;t explode when shorted, punctured or heated, making them ideal for high current applications. I frankly find it mystifying why Mr. Musk isn&#8217;t looking into this technology, especially considering those unsightly garage fires.</p>
<p>Anyway, enough sounding like a battery commercial. Just wanted to share my insights into the technology and express a healthy skepticism about this &#8220;Magic goo.&#8221; My skepticism is not that it works or not, I&#8217;m sure that it does, likely because the goo is increasing the surface area within the battery. My skepticism is aimed rather at whether this technology will be embraced. The battery companies already have a product that makes them a lot of money, they aren&#8217;t going to invest in something new unless they can make more money then it would cost to retool.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The paper describing the results is here:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/acsenergylett.6b00029]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper describing the results is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/acsenergylett.6b00029" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/acsenergylett.6b00029</a></p>
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		By: mpthompson		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/breakthrough-on-battery-life/#comment-913974</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the article says: &lt;i&gt;It will most probably be quite some time before we see this discovery in commercial action, though. &lt;/i&gt;

Gotta go with Orion314 on this, I&#039;ll only believe it when I see it in an actual battery I can purchase.  I&#039;ve seen far too many articles like this over the last 40 years.  Batteries have indeed gotten better since the 70&#039;s, but it&#039;s been a long slow process compared with other technologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the article says: <i>It will most probably be quite some time before we see this discovery in commercial action, though. </i></p>
<p>Gotta go with Orion314 on this, I&#8217;ll only believe it when I see it in an actual battery I can purchase.  I&#8217;ve seen far too many articles like this over the last 40 years.  Batteries have indeed gotten better since the 70&#8217;s, but it&#8217;s been a long slow process compared with other technologies.</p>
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		By: Orion314		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orion314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And , of course , fusion power]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And , of course , fusion power</p>
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		By: Orion314		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right....Been hearing that story for the last 50 yrs.. Park it next to flying cars. SST. Rosie the Robot, Tube Travel, Moon Bases,  Food synthesizers , jet packs, anti grav , free energy , et al...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right&#8230;.Been hearing that story for the last 50 yrs.. Park it next to flying cars. SST. Rosie the Robot, Tube Travel, Moon Bases,  Food synthesizers , jet packs, anti grav , free energy , et al&#8230;</p>
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