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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some years ago, I read of an individual who made a &#039;ufo detector.&#039; After getting his computer to weed out planes and sats-what he was left with was a fine sprite detector. Back in 1986, radar detected a Nov. 11 bolide over Birmingham-but after that, systems were restricted to planes only. Not until dual-pol TDS debris balls churned aloft by tornados-did we see much beyond swarms and such IIRC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, I read of an individual who made a &#8216;ufo detector.&#8217; After getting his computer to weed out planes and sats-what he was left with was a fine sprite detector. Back in 1986, radar detected a Nov. 11 bolide over Birmingham-but after that, systems were restricted to planes only. Not until dual-pol TDS debris balls churned aloft by tornados-did we see much beyond swarms and such IIRC.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396090&quot;&gt;James Street&lt;/a&gt;.

James Street: And yes, above all your theory is the most important. All of this appears to me to be an attempt to distract. It ain&#039;t good if foreign powers are able to fly surveillance balloons and drones over our territory, but there are far worse problems developing in the schools and education system, created by these same government thugs, that demand much greater attention by the public.

But the public lives now on its smart phone, and is easily distracted by whatever shiny object is put before it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396090">James Street</a>.</p>
<p>James Street: And yes, above all your theory is the most important. All of this appears to me to be an attempt to distract. It ain&#8217;t good if foreign powers are able to fly surveillance balloons and drones over our territory, but there are far worse problems developing in the schools and education system, created by these same government thugs, that demand much greater attention by the public.</p>
<p>But the public lives now on its smart phone, and is easily distracted by whatever shiny object is put before it.</p>
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		By: James Street		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My balloon theory: the swamp is grabbing our attention with the shiny object in their right had to distract us from what they are doing with their left hand.
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1625191092709646337/nizuS8EG?format=jpg&#038;name=small]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My balloon theory: the swamp is grabbing our attention with the shiny object in their right had to distract us from what they are doing with their left hand.<br />
<a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1625191092709646337/nizuS8EG?format=jpg&#038;name=small" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1625191092709646337/nizuS8EG?format=jpg&#038;name=small</a></p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396060&quot;&gt;Ray Van Dune&lt;/a&gt;.

I should add that no one has mentioned the one most obvious explanation for many of these objects, which is highly sophisticated military drones. They exist, they are classified, and they are in use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396060">Ray Van Dune</a>.</p>
<p>I should add that no one has mentioned the one most obvious explanation for many of these objects, which is highly sophisticated military drones. They exist, they are classified, and they are in use.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gary H.: &quot;This deserves a wider audience.&quot;

Thanks, Gary! I don&#039;t have a blog of my own, and don&#039;t use social media. You, Bob, or anyone else here are welcome to reuse it, just attribute it to me of course. Glad you enjoyed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary H.: &#8220;This deserves a wider audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, Gary! I don&#8217;t have a blog of my own, and don&#8217;t use social media. You, Bob, or anyone else here are welcome to reuse it, just attribute it to me of course. Glad you enjoyed it.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;It also tells us that the bad press from the first balloon spurred the Biden administration to move to eliminate every Chinese UFO that it was previously ignoring.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

From what I hear, the Biden administration does not know where these &quot;UFOs&quot; are coming from, having not ruled out an outer space origin before shooting them down.  He may just be shooting at everything that the Air Force doesn&#039;t know where they came from.  For someone so against assault weapons, he sure is quick to use them himself.  This may be a good time for everyone to make &lt;em&gt;very sure &lt;/em&gt;that they file flight plans before flying their private planes.  

Didn&#039;t he warn us that the government has F-15s to use against us?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Zimmerman wrote: &#8220;<em>It also tells us that the bad press from the first balloon spurred the Biden administration to move to eliminate every Chinese UFO that it was previously ignoring.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>From what I hear, the Biden administration does not know where these &#8220;UFOs&#8221; are coming from, having not ruled out an outer space origin before shooting them down.  He may just be shooting at everything that the Air Force doesn&#8217;t know where they came from.  For someone so against assault weapons, he sure is quick to use them himself.  This may be a good time for everyone to make <em>very sure </em>that they file flight plans before flying their private planes.  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t he warn us that the government has F-15s to use against us?</p>
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		By: Gary H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray

Well done.

This deserves a wider audience.

Thanks,
Gary]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray</p>
<p>Well done.</p>
<p>This deserves a wider audience.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Gary</p>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This showed up on a pilots&#039; forum; I thought it was cute:

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I love this word “Undetected”. Sounds just like a Who’s On First skit.

“How did you know it even happened if it was undetected?”

-“Because we didn’t see it.”

“Then you detected it.”

-“No, it was undetected because we didn’t see it”

“So how did you know it was there?”

-“Because we didn’t see it.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This showed up on a pilots&#8217; forum; I thought it was cute:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I love this word “Undetected”. Sounds just like a Who’s On First skit.</p>
<p>“How did you know it even happened if it was undetected?”</p>
<p>-“Because we didn’t see it.”</p>
<p>“Then you detected it.”</p>
<p>-“No, it was undetected because we didn’t see it”</p>
<p>“So how did you know it was there?”</p>
<p>-“Because we didn’t see it.”</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, thanks for being receptive to my ideas. I had to cram a lot of thoughts into a reasonably-sized post and inevitably I forgot one... the cheap shot the Biden admin took against Trump, saying the Chinese had overflown before and the Trump admin missed it, but we didn&#039;t!

Well, it&#039;s an lot easier to find something when you know it is there, and all they had to do was replay the raw radar signal recordings, and bingo there it was. Who knows whether the Pentagon deliberately hid previous balloons from Trump, but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, thanks for being receptive to my ideas. I had to cram a lot of thoughts into a reasonably-sized post and inevitably I forgot one&#8230; the cheap shot the Biden admin took against Trump, saying the Chinese had overflown before and the Trump admin missed it, but we didn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s an lot easier to find something when you know it is there, and all they had to do was replay the raw radar signal recordings, and bingo there it was. Who knows whether the Pentagon deliberately hid previous balloons from Trump, but it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me!</p>
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		By: Boobah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boobah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s really the question, isn&#039;t it?  Are these &#039;new&#039; or has NORAD just started to care?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really the question, isn&#8217;t it?  Are these &#8216;new&#8217; or has NORAD just started to care?</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396037&quot;&gt;Ray Van Dune&lt;/a&gt;.

Ray Van Dune: What you write is what I call educated speculation, based on knowledge. Too bad we get so little of this from the so-called mainstream press.

I thank you, as your speculation makes sense, and provides a reasonable cogent explanation of what is being shot down. It also tells us that the bad press from the first balloon spurred the Biden administration to move to eliminate every Chinese UFO that it was previously ignoring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/china-aiming-to-complete-80-launches-in-2023/#comment-1396037">Ray Van Dune</a>.</p>
<p>Ray Van Dune: What you write is what I call educated speculation, based on knowledge. Too bad we get so little of this from the so-called mainstream press.</p>
<p>I thank you, as your speculation makes sense, and provides a reasonable cogent explanation of what is being shot down. It also tells us that the bad press from the first balloon spurred the Biden administration to move to eliminate every Chinese UFO that it was previously ignoring.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, this topic, China, is close enough for me to expound on my theory about the &quot;second wave&quot; of balloons, the ones we have been shooting down.

I reject the notion that the original Mother Ship balloon was powered and could maneuver. A balloon operating at extreme altitudes is so large that it cannot be moved significantly against the wind, and does not have the reserve buoyancy to lift an engine and control surfaces sufficient to do so anyway.

Everyone knows that the way you control a balloon&#039;s direction is by controlling its altitude, using the assumption that the wind is always blowing the way you want to go at some altitude - you just need to find it!

So how to find where the wind direction is right? By using &quot;pathfinders&quot;, which is what I think the second wave targets were. I suspect the Chinese have in the air a number of pathfinders afloat over the northern hemisphere at any one time. By controlling their altitude and detecting their exact position from satellites, the Chinese can apply altitude corrections to the mothership spy sats to bring them over targets of interest.

Recall that lower-level winds over North America generally flow west to east, and higher-level jet streams loop over the continent in northwest-southeast and southwest/northeast directions. Looking at the behavior of the pathfinders, a sophisticated computer simulation could steer the mothership quite well, in my opinion!

Why were the pathfinders at lower altitudes? I suspect they were trying to float away to the east over the Atlantic, before either ditching or circling back over Siberia to facilitate the next mission! But we turned off the target discrimination on our radars, and picked up the tiny slow-movers which we normally ignore as they pose no direct threat.

But what about the octagon shape? Well that may be part of a mechanism to allow the pathfinder to vary its volume and control altitude precisely, or even to use a watermelon-seed approach to move laterally!? This actually works -look up 19th century American balloonist Solomon Andrews.

Anyway, this hypothesis seems consistent with what little we know about the balloon phenomenon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this topic, China, is close enough for me to expound on my theory about the &#8220;second wave&#8221; of balloons, the ones we have been shooting down.</p>
<p>I reject the notion that the original Mother Ship balloon was powered and could maneuver. A balloon operating at extreme altitudes is so large that it cannot be moved significantly against the wind, and does not have the reserve buoyancy to lift an engine and control surfaces sufficient to do so anyway.</p>
<p>Everyone knows that the way you control a balloon&#8217;s direction is by controlling its altitude, using the assumption that the wind is always blowing the way you want to go at some altitude &#8211; you just need to find it!</p>
<p>So how to find where the wind direction is right? By using &#8220;pathfinders&#8221;, which is what I think the second wave targets were. I suspect the Chinese have in the air a number of pathfinders afloat over the northern hemisphere at any one time. By controlling their altitude and detecting their exact position from satellites, the Chinese can apply altitude corrections to the mothership spy sats to bring them over targets of interest.</p>
<p>Recall that lower-level winds over North America generally flow west to east, and higher-level jet streams loop over the continent in northwest-southeast and southwest/northeast directions. Looking at the behavior of the pathfinders, a sophisticated computer simulation could steer the mothership quite well, in my opinion!</p>
<p>Why were the pathfinders at lower altitudes? I suspect they were trying to float away to the east over the Atlantic, before either ditching or circling back over Siberia to facilitate the next mission! But we turned off the target discrimination on our radars, and picked up the tiny slow-movers which we normally ignore as they pose no direct threat.</p>
<p>But what about the octagon shape? Well that may be part of a mechanism to allow the pathfinder to vary its volume and control altitude precisely, or even to use a watermelon-seed approach to move laterally!? This actually works -look up 19th century American balloonist Solomon Andrews.</p>
<p>Anyway, this hypothesis seems consistent with what little we know about the balloon phenomenon.</p>
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