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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 08:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They came up with a new smelting process 
https://hackaday.com/2024/12/12/ore-to-iron-in-a-few-seconds-new-chinese-process-will-revolutionise-smelting/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They came up with a new smelting process<br />
<a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/12/12/ore-to-iron-in-a-few-seconds-new-chinese-process-will-revolutionise-smelting/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://hackaday.com/2024/12/12/ore-to-iron-in-a-few-seconds-new-chinese-process-will-revolutionise-smelting/</a></p>
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		By: Richard Reed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Reed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 03:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suggestion;
Local surfers would be pleased to claim the Vandenberg break for us again.  
Good swells.  So I have heard.  

(Go Pro) camera rigs on the boards or suits.  Other accessories issued as required.  
Permits for access, with deep veting prior, we could be a leading edge for the West Coast Anti Drone Respone Team.  

Sadly my wetsuit has shrunk over the years, but my 9&#039;10&quot; Yater has not.  

U.S.N.  

Ciao]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggestion;<br />
Local surfers would be pleased to claim the Vandenberg break for us again.<br />
Good swells.  So I have heard.  </p>
<p>(Go Pro) camera rigs on the boards or suits.  Other accessories issued as required.<br />
Permits for access, with deep veting prior, we could be a leading edge for the West Coast Anti Drone Respone Team.  </p>
<p>Sadly my wetsuit has shrunk over the years, but my 9&#8217;10&#8221; Yater has not.  </p>
<p>U.S.N.  </p>
<p>Ciao</p>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe they&#039;re here because they can&#039;t find Americans willing to work in the fields, picking the tofu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;re here because they can&#8217;t find Americans willing to work in the fields, picking the tofu.</p>
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		By: James Street		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;1st Civil Psyops Div
Because Physical Wounds Heal&quot;
https://t.ly/H_-6Y
 
&quot;I wake up
There is another psyop&quot;
https://t.ly/H7Ivp]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1st Civil Psyops Div<br />
Because Physical Wounds Heal&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://t.ly/H_-6Y" rel="nofollow ugc">https://t.ly/H_-6Y</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I wake up<br />
There is another psyop&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://t.ly/H7Ivp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://t.ly/H7Ivp</a></p>
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		By: MDN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 04:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect SpaceX stopped broadcast of initial liftoffs out of Vandenberg not because of their activities, but probably because the imagery would reveal other developments under way on the property. Perhaps related to future Vulcan operations or even New Glenn. Those are new vehicles that will need new infrastructure whereas Falcon 9 infrastructure is fully established and operational. 

My 2 cents worth anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect SpaceX stopped broadcast of initial liftoffs out of Vandenberg not because of their activities, but probably because the imagery would reveal other developments under way on the property. Perhaps related to future Vulcan operations or even New Glenn. Those are new vehicles that will need new infrastructure whereas Falcon 9 infrastructure is fully established and operational. </p>
<p>My 2 cents worth anyway.</p>
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		By: buddhaha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddhaha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the NJ drones are real, the only reason for the Alfred E Neuman response from the feds is that they are run by one of the TLAs and are conducting unconstitutional surveillance on US citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the NJ drones are real, the only reason for the Alfred E Neuman response from the feds is that they are run by one of the TLAs and are conducting unconstitutional surveillance on US citizens.</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:

GIONVANI: DRONES: B.O.I. REPROTING REQUIREMENTS

&quot;Three seemingly unrelated items in the news having to do with law makers, government actions and comments, lawyers and the law and justice system. How are they all related?&quot;

https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/giovani-drones-b-o-i-reporting-requirements]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:</p>
<p>GIONVANI: DRONES: B.O.I. REPROTING REQUIREMENTS</p>
<p>&#8220;Three seemingly unrelated items in the news having to do with law makers, government actions and comments, lawyers and the law and justice system. How are they all related?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/giovani-drones-b-o-i-reporting-requirements" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/giovani-drones-b-o-i-reporting-requirements</a></p>
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		By: BLSinSC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BLSinSC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rather odd and disappointing that the Security Officers allowed the EVIDENCE to be erased rather then taking custody of the drone and all electronics the PAIR had on THEM!  It may be that they were allowing the PAIR to think they were in the clear and then followed them and their activities.  I&#039;m hoping that we are intelligent enough to do that!  The fact that one of them was arrested as he was &quot;heading home&quot; is encouraging - the Feds must have known about his travel plans.   The charge of flying over a restricted area is much less severe than SPYING!  This makes one wonder about the THOUSANDS of Chinese men - MILITARY age Chinese men - who were allowed to stroll in and go ????    I&#039;m sure there are not that many openings at Chinese restaurants!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather odd and disappointing that the Security Officers allowed the EVIDENCE to be erased rather then taking custody of the drone and all electronics the PAIR had on THEM!  It may be that they were allowing the PAIR to think they were in the clear and then followed them and their activities.  I&#8217;m hoping that we are intelligent enough to do that!  The fact that one of them was arrested as he was &#8220;heading home&#8221; is encouraging &#8211; the Feds must have known about his travel plans.   The charge of flying over a restricted area is much less severe than SPYING!  This makes one wonder about the THOUSANDS of Chinese men &#8211; MILITARY age Chinese men &#8211; who were allowed to stroll in and go ????    I&#8217;m sure there are not that many openings at Chinese restaurants!!</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some have suggested that it is a Spinner/flying car type VTOL personal air vehicle... likely the Pivotal BlackFly from the looks of it.

It is the first such ready-to-fly product now available commercialy.

Like Moller&#039;s design--except it apparently works.

Adam Savage&#039;s TESTED had an episode where he talked about meeting someone with something that only looked like a shop--no saw-marks on tables, no shavings--nothing.

He didn&#039;t say the name--but it sounded like Moller]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have suggested that it is a Spinner/flying car type VTOL personal air vehicle&#8230; likely the Pivotal BlackFly from the looks of it.</p>
<p>It is the first such ready-to-fly product now available commercialy.</p>
<p>Like Moller&#8217;s design&#8211;except it apparently works.</p>
<p>Adam Savage&#8217;s TESTED had an episode where he talked about meeting someone with something that only looked like a shop&#8211;no saw-marks on tables, no shavings&#8211;nothing.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t say the name&#8211;but it sounded like Moller</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope they kept the memory card. If they just made him erase it, then recovery is pretty easy (I have tools that do that). 

M. Murcek - I agree. something is rotten in the state of Denmar... I mean New Jersey. Those drones are slower and dressed up to look like airplanes. Unless they really are jets snd a lot of people are confused as to how hight they really are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they kept the memory card. If they just made him erase it, then recovery is pretty easy (I have tools that do that). </p>
<p>M. Murcek &#8211; I agree. something is rotten in the state of Denmar&#8230; I mean New Jersey. Those drones are slower and dressed up to look like airplanes. Unless they really are jets snd a lot of people are confused as to how hight they really are.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mkent, I was thinking exactly the same thing.

SWAG - recording a SpaceX launch video from the ground and your own drone video from the air, the two could be time-correlated. What that allows you to do is . . . ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mkent, I was thinking exactly the same thing.</p>
<p>SWAG &#8211; recording a SpaceX launch video from the ground and your own drone video from the air, the two could be time-correlated. What that allows you to do is . . . ?</p>
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		By: mkent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mkent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if this is related to SpaceX’s not showing liftoff from Vandenberg any more.  That started about a week before this incursion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this is related to SpaceX’s not showing liftoff from Vandenberg any more.  That started about a week before this incursion.</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gave them plenty of time to dump/destroy any evidence. 

These people are not taking National Security seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gave them plenty of time to dump/destroy any evidence. </p>
<p>These people are not taking National Security seriously.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the occasional &quot;summary execution in the field&quot; would help too? It DOES act as a deterrent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the occasional &#8220;summary execution in the field&#8221; would help too? It DOES act as a deterrent.</p>
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		By: Steve White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RZ -- &quot;Why Zhou and that other man were not arrested immediately is unclear.&quot;

Perhaps part of our counter-intel operation to see who he talked with from the time he was stopped to the time he was about to board the plane. He had to have been watched, no good way otherwise to know that he was about to beat-feet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RZ &#8212; &#8220;Why Zhou and that other man were not arrested immediately is unclear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps part of our counter-intel operation to see who he talked with from the time he was stopped to the time he was about to board the plane. He had to have been watched, no good way otherwise to know that he was about to beat-feet.</p>
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		By: Steve White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall the old Shah of Iran having a conversation with the Soviet Ambassador to his country on the subject of Soviet spy-plane overflights of his country. This had been going on for a while and was irritating the Iranians no end. The Shah made the complaint and provided evidence. In response, the Ambassador denied it all, saying that he and the leaders of his country had &quot;no idea&quot; where these planes came from.

To which the Shah replied, &quot;if these aren&#039;t your planes, then you won&#039;t mind if we shoot them down.&quot;

The flights stopped.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall the old Shah of Iran having a conversation with the Soviet Ambassador to his country on the subject of Soviet spy-plane overflights of his country. This had been going on for a while and was irritating the Iranians no end. The Shah made the complaint and provided evidence. In response, the Ambassador denied it all, saying that he and the leaders of his country had &#8220;no idea&#8221; where these planes came from.</p>
<p>To which the Shah replied, &#8220;if these aren&#8217;t your planes, then you won&#8217;t mind if we shoot them down.&#8221;</p>
<p>The flights stopped.</p>
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		By: M. Murcek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Murcek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Vandenberg AFB security was able to detect a drone that a guy could hide under his jacket and figure out where it was being operated from. But squadrons of &quot;truck sized&quot; drones flying over sensitive airspace on the US east coast has the entire Pentagone flummoxed.

Something doesn&#039;t pass the smell test...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Vandenberg AFB security was able to detect a drone that a guy could hide under his jacket and figure out where it was being operated from. But squadrons of &#8220;truck sized&#8221; drones flying over sensitive airspace on the US east coast has the entire Pentagone flummoxed.</p>
<p>Something doesn&#8217;t pass the smell test&#8230;</p>
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