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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Sizer, 
I once did some testing with the Ames Vertical Gun Range, and that was an experience and education.  We were seeking knowledge as to the damage that might occur to our X-ray telescope&#039;s apertures, which we wanted covered with a form of window.  We were seeking materials that would not shatter if struck by a micrometeoroid but would just have a small hole (and could withstand the acoustics within a rocket fairing, but that is another story and another test facility), and NASA&#039;s Ames Research Center was the place we did the test.  
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/range_factsheet_i.pdf 

&quot;&lt;em&gt;6.5 k/s _seems_ fast, but is it?&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

Not really.  As you noted, low Earth orbital speed is just about 8 km/s, so an object in an orbit just 60° different would have a closing speed of 8 km/s, too.  If it comes from outside Earth orbit, it would be at least 40% faster than orbital speed.  Things travel fast in space, so collisions can be catastrophic. That is what the shield is for -- it is the one that gets perforated by the disintegrating projectile so that the inner hull (pressure vessel) is only struck by much smaller and much slower debris or gas from the initial collision.   

&quot;&lt;em&gt;6mm is important for “will it penetrate?”, but what’s the mass?&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

The energy to be dissipated is only linearly proportional to the mass, but it is proportional to the square of the speed, which is clearly the important parameter for this test.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Sizer,<br />
I once did some testing with the Ames Vertical Gun Range, and that was an experience and education.  We were seeking knowledge as to the damage that might occur to our X-ray telescope&#8217;s apertures, which we wanted covered with a form of window.  We were seeking materials that would not shatter if struck by a micrometeoroid but would just have a small hole (and could withstand the acoustics within a rocket fairing, but that is another story and another test facility), and NASA&#8217;s Ames Research Center was the place we did the test.<br />
<a href="https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/range_factsheet_i.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/range_factsheet_i.pdf</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;<em>6.5 k/s _seems_ fast, but is it?</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>Not really.  As you noted, low Earth orbital speed is just about 8 km/s, so an object in an orbit just 60° different would have a closing speed of 8 km/s, too.  If it comes from outside Earth orbit, it would be at least 40% faster than orbital speed.  Things travel fast in space, so collisions can be catastrophic. That is what the shield is for &#8212; it is the one that gets perforated by the disintegrating projectile so that the inner hull (pressure vessel) is only struck by much smaller and much slower debris or gas from the initial collision.   </p>
<p>&#8220;<em>6mm is important for “will it penetrate?”, but what’s the mass?</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>The energy to be dissipated is only linearly proportional to the mass, but it is proportional to the square of the speed, which is clearly the important parameter for this test.</p>
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		By: Mark Sizer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Sizer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find things such as this very confusing: &quot;the shield blocked 6mm projectile moving at 6.5 kilometers per second.&quot;

6.5 k/s _seems_ fast, but is it? It looks (via two seconds of searching) as if 9mm bullet velocity is between 900 and 1200 feet/sec. A foot is 0.0003048 kilometers. Clearly they did more than point a 6mm pistol at it and pull the trigger. That makes it seem fast. Orbital speed obviously varies, but LEO seems to be (equally fast search) around 29,000 km/h, which is about 8 km/sec. 6.5 seems both fast and reasonable (the odds of a &quot;head-on&quot; collision in orbit would seem to be small).

6mm is important for &quot;will it penetrate?&quot;, but what&#039;s the mass? A 6mm diameter hollow plastic sphere is very different from a metric ton tungsten rod with a 6mm tip. Is there anything &quot;interesting&quot; about 6mm? Too small to see on radar? Arbitrarily chosen because of how the test rack works?

Not penetrating is obviously better than penetrating, but what makes this test meaningful/interesting? (
A rhetorical question, but if anyone knows, that would be awesome.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find things such as this very confusing: &#8220;the shield blocked 6mm projectile moving at 6.5 kilometers per second.&#8221;</p>
<p>6.5 k/s _seems_ fast, but is it? It looks (via two seconds of searching) as if 9mm bullet velocity is between 900 and 1200 feet/sec. A foot is 0.0003048 kilometers. Clearly they did more than point a 6mm pistol at it and pull the trigger. That makes it seem fast. Orbital speed obviously varies, but LEO seems to be (equally fast search) around 29,000 km/h, which is about 8 km/sec. 6.5 seems both fast and reasonable (the odds of a &#8220;head-on&#8221; collision in orbit would seem to be small).</p>
<p>6mm is important for &#8220;will it penetrate?&#8221;, but what&#8217;s the mass? A 6mm diameter hollow plastic sphere is very different from a metric ton tungsten rod with a 6mm tip. Is there anything &#8220;interesting&#8221; about 6mm? Too small to see on radar? Arbitrarily chosen because of how the test rack works?</p>
<p>Not penetrating is obviously better than penetrating, but what makes this test meaningful/interesting? (<br />
A rhetorical question, but if anyone knows, that would be awesome.)</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fahrenheit 451 (1966)
&quot;Montag Watches His Own Death on TV&quot;
https://youtu.be/boBYhbT_WH4
(1:37)

&quot;They can&#039;t keep the viewers waiting much longer, the Show must go on...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fahrenheit 451 (1966)<br />
&#8220;Montag Watches His Own Death on TV&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/boBYhbT_WH4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/boBYhbT_WH4</a><br />
(1:37)</p>
<p>&#8220;They can&#8217;t keep the viewers waiting much longer, the Show must go on&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting, the vessel used to recover the Gaganyaan capsule is the INS Jalashwa (Sanskrit/Hindi: Hippopotamus) is an amphibious transport dock, formerly the USS Trenton,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, the vessel used to recover the Gaganyaan capsule is the INS Jalashwa (Sanskrit/Hindi: Hippopotamus) is an amphibious transport dock, formerly the USS Trenton,</p>
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