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	Comments on: Elon Musk and another watchdog group suggested on Friday that there was a quid pro quo in the awarding ULA its bulk buy military launch contract.	</title>
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		By: Kelly Starks		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-170038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Starks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 15:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169835&quot;&gt;Pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah hit send to quick.

&#062;..Government jobs like NASA should disperse money and hire specialists for single specific jobs.
&#062;the heavy work like research and design to private companies and universities. ..


They do.  Pretty much always had when possible.  They provide specialized  facilities at the centers, but their are very few NASA employees doing the work (say 5%) though that raises the problem of what do you do when mandatory contract recompletes come up, and say the whole shuttle operations staff lose the rebid for a newer company proposing to restaff with cheaper folks -- naturally none of which have any experience with shuttle operations?


&#062;..You work for the US government with an idea of retiring from there.
&#062;  You don’t go to work for the US government like its a temp agency until you get a good enough job offer.
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&#062; By stopping them from going to work with companies that they had direct contract negotiations with you only stop the possibility of corruption....

And you eliminate the  possibility of getting any really experienced person in any of those tasks.  Why perminently kill a real career, for real money, to become a civil servant bureaucrat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169835">Pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>Ah hit send to quick.</p>
<p>&gt;..Government jobs like NASA should disperse money and hire specialists for single specific jobs.<br />
&gt;the heavy work like research and design to private companies and universities. ..</p>
<p>They do.  Pretty much always had when possible.  They provide specialized  facilities at the centers, but their are very few NASA employees doing the work (say 5%) though that raises the problem of what do you do when mandatory contract recompletes come up, and say the whole shuttle operations staff lose the rebid for a newer company proposing to restaff with cheaper folks &#8212; naturally none of which have any experience with shuttle operations?</p>
<p>&gt;..You work for the US government with an idea of retiring from there.<br />
&gt;  You don’t go to work for the US government like its a temp agency until you get a good enough job offer.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; By stopping them from going to work with companies that they had direct contract negotiations with you only stop the possibility of corruption&#8230;.</p>
<p>And you eliminate the  possibility of getting any really experienced person in any of those tasks.  Why perminently kill a real career, for real money, to become a civil servant bureaucrat?</p>
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		By: Kelly Starks		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-170036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Starks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169835&quot;&gt;Pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

&#062; We don’t need quality engineers as you put it.

Then how do you hope to get decent analysis of engineering proposals?  That was why back during Apollo NASA made sure it had top folks in every important field, even though none of said scientists and engineers would do science or engineering as NASA personel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169835">Pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>&gt; We don’t need quality engineers as you put it.</p>
<p>Then how do you hope to get decent analysis of engineering proposals?  That was why back during Apollo NASA made sure it had top folks in every important field, even though none of said scientists and engineers would do science or engineering as NASA personel.</p>
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		By: Pzatchok		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169835</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 14:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169787&quot;&gt;Kelly Starks&lt;/a&gt;.

We don&#039;t need quality engineers as you put it.

Government jobs like NASA should disperse money and hire specialists for single specific jobs. 
Leave the heavy work like research and design to private companies and universities. 


You work for the US government with an idea of retiring from there.
You don&#039;t go to work for the US government like its a temp agency until you get a good enough job offer.


By stopping them from going to work with companies that they had direct contract negotiations with you only stop the possibility of corruption. 
They can go to work with any number of other companies or go into other fields. Or they can take a job in the government outside of the field they want a private job in. That way there is no conflict of interest like in this case.
Hiring the government employee who negotiated and approved your companies government contract just looks bad. And in all other professional fields would not be tolerated. 


If you hired a lawyer to negotiate a contract with a company and the day after he advises you to sign it he gets hired by that very same company you could take then both to court and have the contract nullified.
Which should be exactly what happens when a company hires someone who negotiated a contract for the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169787">Kelly Starks</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need quality engineers as you put it.</p>
<p>Government jobs like NASA should disperse money and hire specialists for single specific jobs.<br />
Leave the heavy work like research and design to private companies and universities. </p>
<p>You work for the US government with an idea of retiring from there.<br />
You don&#8217;t go to work for the US government like its a temp agency until you get a good enough job offer.</p>
<p>By stopping them from going to work with companies that they had direct contract negotiations with you only stop the possibility of corruption.<br />
They can go to work with any number of other companies or go into other fields. Or they can take a job in the government outside of the field they want a private job in. That way there is no conflict of interest like in this case.<br />
Hiring the government employee who negotiated and approved your companies government contract just looks bad. And in all other professional fields would not be tolerated. </p>
<p>If you hired a lawyer to negotiate a contract with a company and the day after he advises you to sign it he gets hired by that very same company you could take then both to court and have the contract nullified.<br />
Which should be exactly what happens when a company hires someone who negotiated a contract for the government.</p>
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		By: Kelly Starks		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Starks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 19:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169699&quot;&gt;Pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

&#062;&#062;Course then everyone kinda has the same assumptions…makes the same errors..

&#062; Its not assumptions its fact.

No I mean the same assumptions about designs, organizations, etc.

&#062; And it should be illegal.

By &quot;it&quot; I assume you mean execs or engineers in the field &quot;doing a tour&quot; in gov agencies to help them out.  If you make it illegal, then gov would never get any qualified or knowledgeable people.  Folks might &quot;do a tour&quot; out of a sense of public service, but they certainly aren&#039;t going to give up their careers for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169699">Pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Course then everyone kinda has the same assumptions…makes the same errors..</p>
<p>&gt; Its not assumptions its fact.</p>
<p>No I mean the same assumptions about designs, organizations, etc.</p>
<p>&gt; And it should be illegal.</p>
<p>By &#8220;it&#8221; I assume you mean execs or engineers in the field &#8220;doing a tour&#8221; in gov agencies to help them out.  If you make it illegal, then gov would never get any qualified or knowledgeable people.  Folks might &#8220;do a tour&#8221; out of a sense of public service, but they certainly aren&#8217;t going to give up their careers for it.</p>
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		By: Pzatchok		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/elon-musk-and-another-watchdog-group-suggested-on-friday-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo-in-the-awarding-ula-its-bulk-buy-military-launch-contract/#comment-169699</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 00:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its not assumptions its fact.

And it should be illegal.

Most engineers and many people who sell a business sign non competition agreements. Meaning that they can not go to work in the same field with a competitor or start a new business in the same field.

All of these government agents involved with government contracts should sign the very same thing. A contract risking their retirements and benefits if they accept a job with a government contractor within 5 years or so or quitting their government job. And since its the public money they play with then criminal charges should be also be possible if the value of their total contracts breaks a certain limit, like a million dollars.

Simple law, simple solution. It would remove one of the rewards that lobbyists dangle out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not assumptions its fact.</p>
<p>And it should be illegal.</p>
<p>Most engineers and many people who sell a business sign non competition agreements. Meaning that they can not go to work in the same field with a competitor or start a new business in the same field.</p>
<p>All of these government agents involved with government contracts should sign the very same thing. A contract risking their retirements and benefits if they accept a job with a government contractor within 5 years or so or quitting their government job. And since its the public money they play with then criminal charges should be also be possible if the value of their total contracts breaks a certain limit, like a million dollars.</p>
<p>Simple law, simple solution. It would remove one of the rewards that lobbyists dangle out.</p>
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		By: Kelly Starks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;.. certainly illustrates the “old boys” network..

Another factor is simply its a small community to hire out of.  Execs &quot;do their tour&quot; in gov to help out, then go back and get a real job.  Course then everyone kinda has the same assumptions...makes the same errors..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;.. certainly illustrates the “old boys” network..</p>
<p>Another factor is simply its a small community to hire out of.  Execs &#8220;do their tour&#8221; in gov to help out, then go back and get a real job.  Course then everyone kinda has the same assumptions&#8230;makes the same errors..</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can see this contract getting canceled due to political pressure alone.

If the guy doesn&#039;t lose his new job and or get investigated for illegal activities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see this contract getting canceled due to political pressure alone.</p>
<p>If the guy doesn&#8217;t lose his new job and or get investigated for illegal activities.</p>
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