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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard M,

Thanks for doing the searching so I didn&#039;t have to.  Yeah, Airborne Systems was the outfit I had in mind.

I had forgotten about the Pioneer thing.  I suspect you are entirely correct in your surmise about SpaceX&#039;s motives behind this acquisition.

The lack of alternative suppliers for capsule main chutes is a consequence of the smallness of the market for same.  Capsule chutes are a sideline even for monopoly supplier Airborne.  Their main product is steerable GPS-guided chute rigs for cargo pallets ejected out the tail doors of large military airlifters.

I suspect the capsule chute market will remain small and might even go away entirely if, say, Stoke Space&#039;s Nova rocket, with its propulsively-landed reusable upper stage, squeezes out chute-landed capsules as the preferred mechanism for doing re-entries from future LEO space stations.  Time will tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard M,</p>
<p>Thanks for doing the searching so I didn&#8217;t have to.  Yeah, Airborne Systems was the outfit I had in mind.</p>
<p>I had forgotten about the Pioneer thing.  I suspect you are entirely correct in your surmise about SpaceX&#8217;s motives behind this acquisition.</p>
<p>The lack of alternative suppliers for capsule main chutes is a consequence of the smallness of the market for same.  Capsule chutes are a sideline even for monopoly supplier Airborne.  Their main product is steerable GPS-guided chute rigs for cargo pallets ejected out the tail doors of large military airlifters.</p>
<p>I suspect the capsule chute market will remain small and might even go away entirely if, say, Stoke Space&#8217;s Nova rocket, with its propulsively-landed reusable upper stage, squeezes out chute-landed capsules as the preferred mechanism for doing re-entries from future LEO space stations.  Time will tell.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dick,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, there is only one supplier of chutes for all current manned US space capsules. I don’t remember its name and am too lazy, just now, to look it up. That being the case, “gov’t bad” can’t be an issue as the gov’t. did not design any of the chutes and also does not do any of the chute manufacturing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe you are thinking of Airborne Systems, out of Philadelphia.

That said, Airborne as I understand it only makes the main chutes for Dragon. The drogue chutes are manufactured by Pioneer, and SpaceX purchased them outright out of bankruptcy in 2023, so now they at least have direct control of their drogue chutes. 

It is a striking case because as you probably know, SpaceX very rarely does corporate acquisitions. The speculation was that simply buying Pioneer turned out to be cheaper than the cost of finding a new drogue chutes supplier.

It is awkward that Airborne is the only supplier in the USA for main chutes for these vehicles, but it&#039;s still a very small market, and parachute design and fabrication to NASA requirements turns out to be super hard -- harder than SpaceX wants to bother with for a non-core speciality which has limited future in its long-term plans. As Phil McAllister put it, “Parachutes turned out to be way harder than we thought. We thought, ‘We’ve done parachutes during Apollo, how hard could it be?’ It could be very hard.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dick,</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, there is only one supplier of chutes for all current manned US space capsules. I don’t remember its name and am too lazy, just now, to look it up. That being the case, “gov’t bad” can’t be an issue as the gov’t. did not design any of the chutes and also does not do any of the chute manufacturing.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe you are thinking of Airborne Systems, out of Philadelphia.</p>
<p>That said, Airborne as I understand it only makes the main chutes for Dragon. The drogue chutes are manufactured by Pioneer, and SpaceX purchased them outright out of bankruptcy in 2023, so now they at least have direct control of their drogue chutes. </p>
<p>It is a striking case because as you probably know, SpaceX very rarely does corporate acquisitions. The speculation was that simply buying Pioneer turned out to be cheaper than the cost of finding a new drogue chutes supplier.</p>
<p>It is awkward that Airborne is the only supplier in the USA for main chutes for these vehicles, but it&#8217;s still a very small market, and parachute design and fabrication to NASA requirements turns out to be super hard &#8212; harder than SpaceX wants to bother with for a non-core speciality which has limited future in its long-term plans. As Phil McAllister put it, “Parachutes turned out to be way harder than we thought. We thought, ‘We’ve done parachutes during Apollo, how hard could it be?’ It could be very hard.”</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeff Wright,

Yes, there is only one supplier of chutes for all current manned US space capsules.  I don&#039;t remember its name and am too lazy, just now, to look it up.  That being the case, &quot;gov&#039;t bad&quot; can&#039;t be an issue as the gov&#039;t. did not design any of the chutes and also does not do any of the chute manufacturing.

There have been chute anomalies with all of the current manned capsules.  In at least one fairly famous case with Boeing and Starliner, said anomaly occurred because Boeing left out some key parts when assembling the chutes.  Can&#039;t blame either the gov&#039;t. or the supplier for that.

SpaceX, for its part, also had some chute anomalies during Dragon development.  As part of its response to these, SpaceX developed simulation computer code for chutes that is better than anything which existed previously and has made it available to the monopoly chute supplier as well as LockMart and Boeing.  SpaceX also collaborated with the monopoly chute supplier to substitute newer and stronger materials as part of the structure of Dragon chutes and this tech has also been shared, royalty-free, with other capsule builders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Wright,</p>
<p>Yes, there is only one supplier of chutes for all current manned US space capsules.  I don&#8217;t remember its name and am too lazy, just now, to look it up.  That being the case, &#8220;gov&#8217;t bad&#8221; can&#8217;t be an issue as the gov&#8217;t. did not design any of the chutes and also does not do any of the chute manufacturing.</p>
<p>There have been chute anomalies with all of the current manned capsules.  In at least one fairly famous case with Boeing and Starliner, said anomaly occurred because Boeing left out some key parts when assembling the chutes.  Can&#8217;t blame either the gov&#8217;t. or the supplier for that.</p>
<p>SpaceX, for its part, also had some chute anomalies during Dragon development.  As part of its response to these, SpaceX developed simulation computer code for chutes that is better than anything which existed previously and has made it available to the monopoly chute supplier as well as LockMart and Boeing.  SpaceX also collaborated with the monopoly chute supplier to substitute newer and stronger materials as part of the structure of Dragon chutes and this tech has also been shared, royalty-free, with other capsule builders.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2025 09:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do we still have one firm that makes all ‘chutes?

If a main had trouble on Orion, we’d hear no end of it because gov’t bad!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we still have one firm that makes all ‘chutes?</p>
<p>If a main had trouble on Orion, we’d hear no end of it because gov’t bad!</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2025 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I interpreted the two-chute picture as a photo of the two drogue chutes, or perhaps two pilot chutes, after they had pulled out the mains. They were attached to each other and still descending after the capsule and mains had splashed down (in a 4-chute cluster). At the end, they can be seen to enter an undercast layer, similarly to how the 4-chute config did shortly before.

The commenters clearly did not know what they were, and this only added to the confusion. Since the mains were at the time obscured by the undercast layer, I suspect that the aircrew photographed these chutes for lack of any other visible targets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interpreted the two-chute picture as a photo of the two drogue chutes, or perhaps two pilot chutes, after they had pulled out the mains. They were attached to each other and still descending after the capsule and mains had splashed down (in a 4-chute cluster). At the end, they can be seen to enter an undercast layer, similarly to how the 4-chute config did shortly before.</p>
<p>The commenters clearly did not know what they were, and this only added to the confusion. Since the mains were at the time obscured by the undercast layer, I suspect that the aircrew photographed these chutes for lack of any other visible targets.</p>
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		By: Deplorable Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deplorable Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2025 17:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The video shows only 2 main parachutes were attached upon splashdown. Did the video producer insert an old video clip of a different mission or were 2 mains actually discarded as the video implies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video shows only 2 main parachutes were attached upon splashdown. Did the video producer insert an old video clip of a different mission or were 2 mains actually discarded as the video implies?</p>
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