If someone were to sneak into your house and steal your wallet, I think we all can agree that is theft. This is just like espionage.

If your friend were to get into a fight and you came to his aid, got beat up, and the guy you were fighting took your wallet after the fight, would you consider that to be theft? This is what happened to Germany in WWII.

Either by espionage or by war, the technology was forcibly taken from someone else who was not compensated for it.

I guess a spoil of war is different than theft, because the U.S. was first to get man to the Moon by using the tech obtained from the Germans, who put the first rocket into space. I guess that distinction makes it easier to separate the achievement from the fact that the Saturn rocket was designed, built, and tested by a captured engineer.

Or did the U.S. redeem itself between the time it took the spoils of war and the time it landed men on the Moon?

I’m just asking some questions, because it seems that there are two standards being applied, and I’m trying to get it straight in my mind.

My issue isn’t with the Chinese scientists, it’s with the simple fact that China outright steals a huge % of their tech base.

An arguably illegal deal with Loral moved their tech base on launch systems forward immeasurably.

I would cheer the scientists and damn the system, however, the scientists are using tools acquired by theft, making it impossible to separate the “achievements” from the theft sponsored by the state which they serve.

It is one thing to lament a country that does wrong, but what does it then take for that country to redeem itself? If that country does wrong because it was deemed right, at the time, by a political party then how does that country become a good country again? If the NAZIs or the Democrats round up certain people, because of their heritage, and send them to camps (perhaps called concentration camps or maybe internment camps), then what can Germany or the United States do to become the good guys again?

And for how long do we hope that the scientific and exploration endeavors of those countries fail?

USS Pennsylvania
Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine
https://youtu.be/UxB11eAl-YE
(28:38)

Hiroshima Bomb detonation
(Music: Saw Theme)
https://youtu.be/ETbI0Ih0kVg
3:03

Why would anyone voluntarily travel to a communist gulag slave-state? Doesn’t matter who she is married to, the Party owns them ALL like chattel.

How Easy It Is For The US President To Launch A Nuclear Weapon?
https://youtu.be/FA_gIAGNDQ8
(2:10)

I know a Chinese girl and her parents are not allowed of of the country at the same time to see her in America. Even though her mother is a long standing member of the party.

Her American husband fears every time they take the grand kids to China that something will happen and they might not all be able to leave again.

But for a certain President with the complicit backing of an equally avaricious Congress, Wen Ho Lee could not have stolen the plans for our W-88 thermonuclear warhead.

Nine Commentaries Pt 3:
The Tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party
https://youtu.be/zMnGKrkic50
(1:06:36)

These alleged people and their slave-state, need to go, all-the-way.
>I don’t care one micron, how that is accomplished.

Jollster

But for a certain President with the complicit backing of an equally avaricious Congress, they’d still be suffering 50%+ launch failures.

There’s some weird misconception going on today, to the effect that the orwellian totalitarian statist communist slave state known as China, isn’t an existential threat to the entire globe and/or it’s somehow morphed into capitalism. (I’m sick of seeing their junk in our stores as well. They can keep their garbage. If they want to buy our worthless never to be repaid Treasury Bonds, more power to them, although they should be required to buy them with gold.)

And you’re absolutely correct, as of 2017 there are 89,450,000 hard core brainwashed true-believer communists running the entire gulag.
–They will eventually have to be destroyed, by any means necessary & sufficient, to free the other billion, and render them harmless to the rest of the globe.
Every single one of them is a willing participant in and advocate for, mass-murder, and every single one of them needs to be held to account, all the way.

Jordan B Peterson:
Foreword to The Gulag Archipelago: 50th Anniversary
October 31, 2018
https://youtu.be/XJwEBizQgYI
47:30

Jollster