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		By: Michael McNeil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael McNeil]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The one instrument, of course, that cannot be turned off, is the radio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one instrument, of course, that cannot be turned off, is the radio.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The late 70&#039;s era technology is likely perfect for such missions...not as primitive as Apollo tech or as vulnerable as modern chips--tight programming, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The late 70&#8217;s era technology is likely perfect for such missions&#8230;not as primitive as Apollo tech or as vulnerable as modern chips&#8211;tight programming, etc.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 23:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/engineers-shut-down-one-science-instrument-on-voyager-2-to-conserve-power/#comment-1523820&quot;&gt;Jay&lt;/a&gt;.

Jay: Based on these numbers, it will be a significant engineering achievement to maintain communications with the spacecraft for as long as possible, and will provide good information for later missions to similar distances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/engineers-shut-down-one-science-instrument-on-voyager-2-to-conserve-power/#comment-1523820">Jay</a>.</p>
<p>Jay: Based on these numbers, it will be a significant engineering achievement to maintain communications with the spacecraft for as long as possible, and will provide good information for later missions to similar distances.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Voyagers use a 23W radio that transmit a downlink back to Earth at two different frequencies-
Voy-1: 2296/8420 MHz
Voy-2: 2295/8415 MHz

The uplink from Earth to the Voyagers via the DSN uses 400kW-
Voy-1: 2114.6 MHz
Voy-2: 2113.3 MHz

Remember that those DSN dishes are 70 meters in diameter and have a gain of 48dbi.  Not only that but they are the pioneers of weak signal processing at the receiver end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Voyagers use a 23W radio that transmit a downlink back to Earth at two different frequencies-<br />
Voy-1: 2296/8420 MHz<br />
Voy-2: 2295/8415 MHz</p>
<p>The uplink from Earth to the Voyagers via the DSN uses 400kW-<br />
Voy-1: 2114.6 MHz<br />
Voy-2: 2113.3 MHz</p>
<p>Remember that those DSN dishes are 70 meters in diameter and have a gain of 48dbi.  Not only that but they are the pioneers of weak signal processing at the receiver end.</p>
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		By: Mark Sizer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Sizer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It can be testing the limits of Earth-bound engineering. A maximum of 225 watts from 20.5 billion km away can&#039;t be much of a signal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be testing the limits of Earth-bound engineering. A maximum of 225 watts from 20.5 billion km away can&#8217;t be much of a signal.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the decay rate of Pu-238 in the RTGs, it is down to 225 watts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the decay rate of Pu-238 in the RTGs, it is down to 225 watts.</p>
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		By: Boobah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boobah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m the confused one, but given &lt;i&gt;Voyager&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s power source, which converts radioactive decay by-products into electricity, you&#039;d expect the power available to constantly decline.  For instance, if your radioactive material has a half-life of ten years, after ten years it produces half as much power, and it&#039;s down to a quarter the power after twenty.  

Ancient battery tech or no, you&#039;re mostly in a use-it-or-lose-it situation, because the radioactive material decays whether or not you&#039;re using the electricity.  Just as importantly, you can&#039;t use up the radioactives faster to generate more electricity but a shorter lifespan.

I&#039;d suggest that it&#039;s more that they have a finer understanding of the decreasing, useful output of the power source than they once did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m the confused one, but given <i>Voyager</i>&#8216;s power source, which converts radioactive decay by-products into electricity, you&#8217;d expect the power available to constantly decline.  For instance, if your radioactive material has a half-life of ten years, after ten years it produces half as much power, and it&#8217;s down to a quarter the power after twenty.  </p>
<p>Ancient battery tech or no, you&#8217;re mostly in a use-it-or-lose-it situation, because the radioactive material decays whether or not you&#8217;re using the electricity.  Just as importantly, you can&#8217;t use up the radioactives faster to generate more electricity but a shorter lifespan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that it&#8217;s more that they have a finer understanding of the decreasing, useful output of the power source than they once did.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/engineers-shut-down-one-science-instrument-on-voyager-2-to-conserve-power/#comment-1523766&quot;&gt;Ray Van Dune&lt;/a&gt;.

Ray Van Dune: What I know is that before they were going to keep as many science instruments functioning for as long as possible, but that would cause power to run out by c2026. Now it appears they are going to shut down those instruments one-by-one so that they can extend the spacecraft life.

To me, this means they have shifted priority from science to engineering. Whether that shift makes sense however is another question -- one that you quite correctly raise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/engineers-shut-down-one-science-instrument-on-voyager-2-to-conserve-power/#comment-1523766">Ray Van Dune</a>.</p>
<p>Ray Van Dune: What I know is that before they were going to keep as many science instruments functioning for as long as possible, but that would cause power to run out by c2026. Now it appears they are going to shut down those instruments one-by-one so that they can extend the spacecraft life.</p>
<p>To me, this means they have shifted priority from science to engineering. Whether that shift makes sense however is another question &#8212; one that you quite correctly raise.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the Voyagers traverse the outer boundaries of the Solar system, it makes sense to keep scientific data coming as long as possible in order to cover areas as far out as possible.

Thus, I am puzzled that the extension is deemed to be &quot;... not so much to do science but to test the limits of its engineering.&quot;

The scientific value of probing further outward seems indisputable, but I am less convinced of the value of studying the engineering limits of 47-year-old technology. Can you clarify your thinking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Voyagers traverse the outer boundaries of the Solar system, it makes sense to keep scientific data coming as long as possible in order to cover areas as far out as possible.</p>
<p>Thus, I am puzzled that the extension is deemed to be &#8220;&#8230; not so much to do science but to test the limits of its engineering.&#8221;</p>
<p>The scientific value of probing further outward seems indisputable, but I am less convinced of the value of studying the engineering limits of 47-year-old technology. Can you clarify your thinking?</p>
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