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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 23:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only country that might have a chance to beat Space X and musk is China, only because cost means nothing to them. They will give anyone they want a free flight just to kill their competition.

Russia does not have the tech or economy and the EU must watch its pocketbook even more than the US. India might get close but by then Musk will have moved on and advanced even further to providing launches faster and cheaper than he does now.

Musk might get to the Mars but the Moon is the next logical off planet permanent colony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only country that might have a chance to beat Space X and musk is China, only because cost means nothing to them. They will give anyone they want a free flight just to kill their competition.</p>
<p>Russia does not have the tech or economy and the EU must watch its pocketbook even more than the US. India might get close but by then Musk will have moved on and advanced even further to providing launches faster and cheaper than he does now.</p>
<p>Musk might get to the Mars but the Moon is the next logical off planet permanent colony.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 04:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Ray Van Dune &lt;/strong&gt;asked: &quot;&lt;em&gt;How long will SpaceX keep prices similar to current levels, while their current competitor platforms fold, and new ones slow walk? Not long I would suggest. I hope Elon gives preference to NASA and DoD, and soaks the rest [“soaks the Euros”] to maintain his margins.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

One of Musk&#039;s goals (other than colonize Mars) is to provide low cost access to space.  I would suggest that SpaceX will not raise prices any faster than inflation.  Although it means that each flight contributes less to future development projects, it also means that SpaceX should get more customers.  This is in line with the low cost access to space, as it opens up space to so much more commercial work than we ever had before low cost commercial access.  

&lt;strong&gt;David Eastman &lt;/strong&gt;wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability, at the same time, and that both of them seem to lack any urgency in getting past that gap even in the face of SpaceX happily taking all their customers.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

ULA&#039;s main problem is the availability of the BE-4 engine.  I&#039;m sure they would be farther along if the engine had been available on time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ray Van Dune </strong>asked: &#8220;<em>How long will SpaceX keep prices similar to current levels, while their current competitor platforms fold, and new ones slow walk? Not long I would suggest. I hope Elon gives preference to NASA and DoD, and soaks the rest [“soaks the Euros”] to maintain his margins.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>One of Musk&#8217;s goals (other than colonize Mars) is to provide low cost access to space.  I would suggest that SpaceX will not raise prices any faster than inflation.  Although it means that each flight contributes less to future development projects, it also means that SpaceX should get more customers.  This is in line with the low cost access to space, as it opens up space to so much more commercial work than we ever had before low cost commercial access.  </p>
<p><strong>David Eastman </strong>wrote: &#8220;<em>It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability, at the same time, and that both of them seem to lack any urgency in getting past that gap even in the face of SpaceX happily taking all their customers.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>ULA&#8217;s main problem is the availability of the BE-4 engine.  I&#8217;m sure they would be farther along if the engine had been available on time.</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Ross,

Sometimes the contribution made by observationS or experiments is to disprove the original hypothesis. 
If that happens, it is still an advancement of knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Ross,</p>
<p>Sometimes the contribution made by observationS or experiments is to disprove the original hypothesis.<br />
If that happens, it is still an advancement of knowledge.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 19:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/esa-looking-to-spacex-to-launch-euclid-space-telescope/#comment-1364761&quot;&gt;David Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

David Ross: SpaceX won&#039;t waste anything. They are a launch provider, and make money by providing that service to anyone. And they certainly have the resources to handle as many launches as possible.

If the ESA wishes to spend its money on this project, SpaceX would be foolish to turn it down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/esa-looking-to-spacex-to-launch-euclid-space-telescope/#comment-1364761">David Ross</a>.</p>
<p>David Ross: SpaceX won&#8217;t waste anything. They are a launch provider, and make money by providing that service to anyone. And they certainly have the resources to handle as many launches as possible.</p>
<p>If the ESA wishes to spend its money on this project, SpaceX would be foolish to turn it down.</p>
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		By: David Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 18:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;to study dark energy, dark matter and other aspects of cosmology&quot;
I hope they&#039;re just talking about the &quot;dark&quot; malarkey to excite the Astrophysics Community, because otherwise this mission is a complete waste of SpaceX&#039;s launch opportunities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;to study dark energy, dark matter and other aspects of cosmology&#8221;<br />
I hope they&#8217;re just talking about the &#8220;dark&#8221; malarkey to excite the Astrophysics Community, because otherwise this mission is a complete waste of SpaceX&#8217;s launch opportunities.</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 18:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability&quot;... 

You mean like the US government when they shut down the shuttle without a viable means to replace it?


As for waiting on Starship... why?  If they are going  to wait for that, they might as well wait for Ariane 6. Falcon (or Falcon Heavy, since it will need fuel to get to L2) is flying now. Un-tested so far, lets say they get Starship to orbit in the next few months. That is still just LEO.  To get anywhere else requires the currently unavailable re-fueling in orbit technology. Should they wait for that also?

And just because Starship is projected to have greater upmass capability, does not mean that a bunch of telescopes, or anything for that matter, are all going to the same place. It will not be like a pick up truck that can run around from one orbit to another at will.  

I want to see it work.. but I am not holding my breath for trips to the moon, or anyone else, anytime soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>You mean like the US government when they shut down the shuttle without a viable means to replace it?</p>
<p>As for waiting on Starship&#8230; why?  If they are going  to wait for that, they might as well wait for Ariane 6. Falcon (or Falcon Heavy, since it will need fuel to get to L2) is flying now. Un-tested so far, lets say they get Starship to orbit in the next few months. That is still just LEO.  To get anywhere else requires the currently unavailable re-fueling in orbit technology. Should they wait for that also?</p>
<p>And just because Starship is projected to have greater upmass capability, does not mean that a bunch of telescopes, or anything for that matter, are all going to the same place. It will not be like a pick up truck that can run around from one orbit to another at will.  </p>
<p>I want to see it work.. but I am not holding my breath for trips to the moon, or anyone else, anytime soon.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 17:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess instead of &quot;soaks the rest&quot;, I really meant &quot;soaks the Euros&quot;, because they have backed themselves into a corner, first by relying on outmoded Russian technology, and then by investing in non-reusable stuff when forced to finally leave the Soyuz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess instead of &#8220;soaks the rest&#8221;, I really meant &#8220;soaks the Euros&#8221;, because they have backed themselves into a corner, first by relying on outmoded Russian technology, and then by investing in non-reusable stuff when forced to finally leave the Soyuz.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 17:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray, I guess - politically - Musk has to follow your suggested path, but I would prefer he preference private enterprise and charge max rates to DOD and NASA and build his margins off them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I guess &#8211; politically &#8211; Musk has to follow your suggested path, but I would prefer he preference private enterprise and charge max rates to DOD and NASA and build his margins off them.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good point, Gary. And as I have said before, why are they designing a Mars sample-return mission when a SpaceX astronaut could just bring them back in his carry-on?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Gary. And as I have said before, why are they designing a Mars sample-return mission when a SpaceX astronaut could just bring them back in his carry-on?</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If they wait a couple of years, they can launch several telescopes at once on a Starship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they wait a couple of years, they can launch several telescopes at once on a Starship.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How will SpaceX respond to continuing market demand for Falcon rockets and Merlin engines? Of course it really is a net new demand for Falcon second stages and launch services, since first stages are reusable.

How long will SpaceX keep prices similar to current levels, while their current competitor platforms fold, and new ones slow walk? Not long I would suggest. I hope Elon gives preference to NASA and DoD, and soaks the rest to maintain his margins.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will SpaceX respond to continuing market demand for Falcon rockets and Merlin engines? Of course it really is a net new demand for Falcon second stages and launch services, since first stages are reusable.</p>
<p>How long will SpaceX keep prices similar to current levels, while their current competitor platforms fold, and new ones slow walk? Not long I would suggest. I hope Elon gives preference to NASA and DoD, and soaks the rest to maintain his margins.</p>
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		By: David Eastman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Eastman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability, at the same time, and that both of them seem to lack any urgency in getting past that gap even in the face of SpaceX happily taking all their customers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It continues to amaze me that Ariane and ULA both chose to retire their existing launchers and move to new vehicles without retaining some kind of fall-back or transition capability, at the same time, and that both of them seem to lack any urgency in getting past that gap even in the face of SpaceX happily taking all their customers.</p>
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