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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[My guess is they would only buy the DC if it was a total buy out and move to the EU. Then they could own and operate the whole thing employing Europeans.

Otherwise its pretty much just buying something off of the US again that would never go over well for the governments of the EU.


So much politics in the way of technical progress and efficiency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is they would only buy the DC if it was a total buy out and move to the EU. Then they could own and operate the whole thing employing Europeans.</p>
<p>Otherwise its pretty much just buying something off of the US again that would never go over well for the governments of the EU.</p>
<p>So much politics in the way of technical progress and efficiency.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 23:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting notion.

The practicality questions would start with whether or not the Ozmens are interested in selling DC.  They might not be.  They&#039;ve pretty much lost ISS resupply as a use case, but the DoW has expressed some prior interest in DC&#039;s expendable Shooting Star module.  Given that Sierra Space has announced intentions to pursue more military work, DC+Shooting Star could be a big piece of that.

If the Euros &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; buy DC, they could certainly launch it on Ariane 6.  But the Euros would want to be able to build at least DC themselves and perhaps Shooting Star as well.  The current supply chains for both are US-centric.  The Euros would probably want all Of DC&#039;s IP and likely the tooling as well.  A lot of DC&#039;s fabrication has been subcontracted to LockMart at Michoud.  Sierra Space may not even own the tooling.  That doesn&#039;t preclude a deal, of course, but might materially complicate it.

On the brighter side, old-line primes like LockMart have decades of experience trading IP around with their Euro peers as part of co-production deals when European governments buy US weapon systems.

So never say never, but I still don&#039;t rate the likelihood of such a deal occurring very high.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting notion.</p>
<p>The practicality questions would start with whether or not the Ozmens are interested in selling DC.  They might not be.  They&#8217;ve pretty much lost ISS resupply as a use case, but the DoW has expressed some prior interest in DC&#8217;s expendable Shooting Star module.  Given that Sierra Space has announced intentions to pursue more military work, DC+Shooting Star could be a big piece of that.</p>
<p>If the Euros <i>could</i> buy DC, they could certainly launch it on Ariane 6.  But the Euros would want to be able to build at least DC themselves and perhaps Shooting Star as well.  The current supply chains for both are US-centric.  The Euros would probably want all Of DC&#8217;s IP and likely the tooling as well.  A lot of DC&#8217;s fabrication has been subcontracted to LockMart at Michoud.  Sierra Space may not even own the tooling.  That doesn&#8217;t preclude a deal, of course, but might materially complicate it.</p>
<p>On the brighter side, old-line primes like LockMart have decades of experience trading IP around with their Euro peers as part of co-production deals when European governments buy US weapon systems.</p>
<p>So never say never, but I still don&#8217;t rate the likelihood of such a deal occurring very high.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They could get a jump if they can find a way to buy Dream Chaser.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could get a jump if they can find a way to buy Dream Chaser.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Five tonnes is about a tonne and a half beyond Cargo Dragon&#039;s pressurized cargo capacity.  Cargo Dragon can carry 6 tonnes in total, but about 2.5 tonnes of that has to ride in the unpressurized trunk.  The new, stretched, Cygnus XL can carry 5 tonnes of pressurized cargo - and recently did.  So can Dream Chaser - if it ever flies.  Unless the Japanese give their about-to-debut HTV-X vehicle a Cygnus-like stretch, it would fall about a tonne short of what the Euros are seeking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five tonnes is about a tonne and a half beyond Cargo Dragon&#8217;s pressurized cargo capacity.  Cargo Dragon can carry 6 tonnes in total, but about 2.5 tonnes of that has to ride in the unpressurized trunk.  The new, stretched, Cygnus XL can carry 5 tonnes of pressurized cargo &#8211; and recently did.  So can Dream Chaser &#8211; if it ever flies.  Unless the Japanese give their about-to-debut HTV-X vehicle a Cygnus-like stretch, it would fall about a tonne short of what the Euros are seeking.</p>
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