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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 00:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that the whole thing was anticlimactic, and this is why there are so many comments expressing disappointed expectations.  

The launch was hyped as a very expensive, ten billion dollar, one-chance-only spacecraft riding on top of a rocket with only a 99% success history.  Then a hundred deployment events all had to work exactly correctly.  Then it had to reach the exact right orbit a million miles away, without overshooting.  Then we had to wait for first light and then for first scientific image.  To make the announcement, NASA gathered the President, the Vice President, and the NASA Administrator.  And what did they say?  

&quot;Look, pretty stars!&quot; 

Wouldn&#039;t it have been better for Administrator Nelson to have given some examples of what new possibilities may be found in the image, and couldn&#039;t it have been in different false colors to emphasize that it contains different information than Hubble gathers?  &quot;This galaxy has a bunch of this kind of star, and that galaxy has a bunch of that kind of star.  With further examination of even more distant (more historical) galaxies, we can see how galaxies formed and how their stars evolved to form the galaxies of today.  This will give us more understanding about the universe and how it works.&quot;  

Robert&#039;s post today gives a better comparison of how Webb gives additional information, but that thing they showed us yesterday was ho-hum astronomy as usual.  https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/more-webb-images-released/

Ten billion dollars, and all we got was yet another Hubble picture.  

For this letdown of an announcement, we didn&#039;t need a president or a Vice President, neither of whom had anything to do with this telescope.  The written press release was better than that boring, baffling show.  Does anyone &lt;em&gt;remember &lt;/em&gt;what any of them said, without reviewing the forgettable video?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the whole thing was anticlimactic, and this is why there are so many comments expressing disappointed expectations.  </p>
<p>The launch was hyped as a very expensive, ten billion dollar, one-chance-only spacecraft riding on top of a rocket with only a 99% success history.  Then a hundred deployment events all had to work exactly correctly.  Then it had to reach the exact right orbit a million miles away, without overshooting.  Then we had to wait for first light and then for first scientific image.  To make the announcement, NASA gathered the President, the Vice President, and the NASA Administrator.  And what did they say?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Look, pretty stars!&#8221; </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been better for Administrator Nelson to have given some examples of what new possibilities may be found in the image, and couldn&#8217;t it have been in different false colors to emphasize that it contains different information than Hubble gathers?  &#8220;This galaxy has a bunch of this kind of star, and that galaxy has a bunch of that kind of star.  With further examination of even more distant (more historical) galaxies, we can see how galaxies formed and how their stars evolved to form the galaxies of today.  This will give us more understanding about the universe and how it works.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Robert&#8217;s post today gives a better comparison of how Webb gives additional information, but that thing they showed us yesterday was ho-hum astronomy as usual.  <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/more-webb-images-released/" rel="ugc">https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/more-webb-images-released/</a></p>
<p>Ten billion dollars, and all we got was yet another Hubble picture.  </p>
<p>For this letdown of an announcement, we didn&#8217;t need a president or a Vice President, neither of whom had anything to do with this telescope.  The written press release was better than that boring, baffling show.  Does anyone <em>remember </em>what any of them said, without reviewing the forgettable video?</p>
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		By: Alex Andrite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Andrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoa  !!

Once again    ....
    The Heavens Proclaim .....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa  !!</p>
<p>Once again    &#8230;.<br />
    The Heavens Proclaim &#8230;..</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/first-science-image-released-from-webb/#comment-1342071&quot;&gt;DougSpace&lt;/a&gt;.

DougSpace: I did &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; say this &quot;image doesn&#039;t substantially give us much more than we learned from Hubble.&quot; I said the image appeared comparable to Hubble&#039;s deep fields, and then outlined what it likely saw that was new.

I have no doubt at all that Webb, working correctly now in space, will give us amazing and ground-breaking discoveries. For this we must celebrate.

I will also never believe the money was well spent. For the $11 billion spent on Webb we could have launched at least a half dozen better managed space telescopes that would have &lt;em&gt;each&lt;/em&gt; produced as many discoveries as Webb. And in the process we would have likely learned the engineering to build a Webb-type telescope in far less time, and launched it for far less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/first-science-image-released-from-webb/#comment-1342071">DougSpace</a>.</p>
<p>DougSpace: I did <em>not</em> say this &#8220;image doesn&#8217;t substantially give us much more than we learned from Hubble.&#8221; I said the image appeared comparable to Hubble&#8217;s deep fields, and then outlined what it likely saw that was new.</p>
<p>I have no doubt at all that Webb, working correctly now in space, will give us amazing and ground-breaking discoveries. For this we must celebrate.</p>
<p>I will also never believe the money was well spent. For the $11 billion spent on Webb we could have launched at least a half dozen better managed space telescopes that would have <em>each</em> produced as many discoveries as Webb. And in the process we would have likely learned the engineering to build a Webb-type telescope in far less time, and launched it for far less.</p>
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		By: Bill Mullen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Mullen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow]]></description>
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		By: DougSpace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DougSpace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, are you at a point where you can say whether JWST was worth the money.  You mention that the above image doesn&#039;t substantially give us much more than we learned from Hubble and the consequences of JWST&#039;s cost over-runs negatively impacted other programs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, are you at a point where you can say whether JWST was worth the money.  You mention that the above image doesn&#8217;t substantially give us much more than we learned from Hubble and the consequences of JWST&#8217;s cost over-runs negatively impacted other programs.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would help if astronomers are able to measure what percentage of the mass of these far away, 4 billion years old galaxies is dark matter.  Compare that ratio to that of dark matter in the milky way.  Maybe  that would tell us that the percentage of dark matter in a galaxy increases with its age.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would help if astronomers are able to measure what percentage of the mass of these far away, 4 billion years old galaxies is dark matter.  Compare that ratio to that of dark matter in the milky way.  Maybe  that would tell us that the percentage of dark matter in a galaxy increases with its age.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 02:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was expecting a red image, the colors are neat.  There&#039;s no details on how they colorized it, I wonder if it was just aesthetics?  

The description of clown world briefing sounds spot-on for where we are right now.  Pathetic is generous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was expecting a red image, the colors are neat.  There&#8217;s no details on how they colorized it, I wonder if it was just aesthetics?  </p>
<p>The description of clown world briefing sounds spot-on for where we are right now.  Pathetic is generous.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I found out President Biden would reveal the image, my first thought was &#039;Uh oh&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I found out President Biden would reveal the image, my first thought was &#8216;Uh oh&#8217;.</p>
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		By: David Telford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Telford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 02:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way cool.  _This slice of the vast universe covers a patch of sky approximately the size of a grain of sand held at arm’s length by someone on the ground._  Impressively tiny slice of space.  Approximately the size of a grain of sand held at arm&#039;s length by someone on a boat, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way cool.  _This slice of the vast universe covers a patch of sky approximately the size of a grain of sand held at arm’s length by someone on the ground._  Impressively tiny slice of space.  Approximately the size of a grain of sand held at arm&#8217;s length by someone on a boat, too.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 01:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[White House attempt to associate itself with a scientific achievement that it had nothing to do with, and knows nothing about, backfires sadly. Really? Who could have seen that coming?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White House attempt to associate itself with a scientific achievement that it had nothing to do with, and knows nothing about, backfires sadly. Really? Who could have seen that coming?!</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its almost like two different images.

If you could separate the bent distorted galaxies out of the picture I bet those that are left over would more than likely be in front of the gravity well.

Redshift would better tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its almost like two different images.</p>
<p>If you could separate the bent distorted galaxies out of the picture I bet those that are left over would more than likely be in front of the gravity well.</p>
<p>Redshift would better tell.</p>
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