Once again Alex demonstrated that he would rather be bigoted and ignorant about America’s conservatives rather than finding out what American conservatives believe. I gave him multiple opportunities to view a series of videos on the topic of what American conservatives believe, but he continues to believe that it is only free market capitalism. Instead it also includes such topics as: free markets, small government, liberty, creation of additional wealth (not just a fixed “pie” of wealth), natural rights (not bestowed by government), gun rights, legal immigration, American exceptionalism due to our freedom and liberty, and equality of opportunity (not of result).

I will miss Alex’s foreign viewpoint, but he is free to choose what websites he spends his time on.

(Huh. Free to choose. What a concept. Too bad Obamacare does not allow freedom of choice.)

Mitch S.,
You wrote: “start by setting examples and planting seeds that will hopefully sprout when they mature.”

It may help to ask questions that force those victims of propaganda to support their positions. When they are unable to do so, they may, sometimes, get the idea that they do not have enough information and become more willing to listen to another viewpoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI (2 minutes, “Students Love Socialism… But Can’t Define What It Is”)

Alex has fundamental difficulty understanding some American / Western concepts of freedom and governance. If he wants to learn something while contributing then he will stay. He unfortunately is blocked from doing so apparently by his preconceived notions of what he believes America is all about.

Alex was a bit of a challenge but he did contribute in his way, there will be a new Alex in the future. I wish him well.

They will say things that irritate and annoy because that’s what schools and the media have been teaching them.
We must be confident in our positions (but not close-minded), and be patiently wiling to hear and answer questions.
PS Don’t expect to see immediate results from your dialogue – the people you are communicating with have been steeped in left-wing propaganda and start by setting examples and planting seeds that will hopefully sprout when they mature.

But remember they do vote – turn your backs on them at our peril!

No need to take action. I am going to withdraw from this blog myself after this comment and say “Goodbye”. You may think about following as a gift: I my view is somebody racist, who does not allow (as you?) that a certain ethnic group sustain and control their own future existence and is somebody is not conservative, who does not care about his own people existence and his country’s borders. Supporting a capitalist economy is not sufficient to be conservative. Adieu! You may save your response to this. Thank you.

They could’ve surrendered unconditionally any day. Crime must be fought with crime. I love the insight of US defense secretary Mad Dog:
“The US can never make peace with any enemy. We can only convince them to make peace with us.”
If the enemy requires their children to be burned to be convinced, then so be it and so it will be done.

Alex: I should add that your increasing advocacy of bigotry and race hatred is also wearing out my patience. The world is seeped in this hatred. It is one of the reasons why there is no peace in the Middle East and why Islam is so corrupt. I do not wish my website to become a haven for promoting such beliefs.

As I say, you are close to being the second person I have ever banned. And if I do it it will be for the very same reasons.

Alex: I will not tolerate name-calling on this website, and the use of the term “cuckservative” is that, and that alone. It carries no real meaning but to associate conservatives with a four-letter word.

Moreover, just because you don’t really understand modern American conservatism does not give you the right to call those whom you disagree with as “fake.”

You are now so close to the line of being banned that you better not move very much.

Muslims aren’t victims either. They have controlled the Middle East for over a thousand years through conquest and slavery. Their societies are oppressive and victimize the minorities that live in them.

When Israel declared independence, there were many Jews who were expelled by neighboring Muslim countries. Do they have a right of return to their former homes? And why would they want to return to live in societies that have been waging centuries long slow roll genocide against them?

The land exchanges in question were small and Israel has less land now than they did originally. The displaced populations were relatively small and affected both sides.

The situation is not a perfect one. We can’t change the past, only the future.

Israel thinks Gaza has the right to exist, do Gazans think Israel has the right to exist?

Alex has part of a point. Instead, we should compare Gaza with Gaza. Those who left the Israeli nation, way back when, did so very willingly. It was their idea to leave, and it was their choice to leave. They were not given victim status until Hamas messed up Gaza. By the way, after an attack of aggression into Israel, Gaza (and Egypt) was totally defeated by the small power, Israel, which is how it became an Israeli possession.

Alex wrote: “Palestine people are without any guilt, which could even remotely support occupation of their land.”

Except, of course, their land is not occupied. Indeed, the initialization of this whole discussion of Hamas having made Gaza unlivable was because Gaza is not occupied.

As for guilt, well, at least now we know that Alex believes terror, missile attacks, and violence are guilt-free crimes, in this world. Or does he only think them acceptable when they are committed against his good friends, the Jews?

Alex wrote: “that remind us the Allied’s crimes against German people in WWII, which resulted from occupation and displacment.”

Nice. When the Soviet Union commits crimes, Alex lumps them in with the Allies in order to distract attention away from the criminal nation. Then he conveniently avoids noting that the Soviets were guilty of the very charges that he levels against Israel.

“Beside the Arabic and Jewish question we discussed here, I would like bring to your attention that there are no real conservatives in USA, but only fake conservative, the so-called cuckservatives,”

Yet another distraction. A claim that there are no conservatives in America, coming from someone who has never been here to see, has no meaning. Especially when Alex’s definition of conservative is so completely different from America’s definition. It is hard to know what Alex means by his statement.

Once again, Alex has shown that he does not pay attention to what people write, here at Behind The Black, because I have twice linked to a series of videos made by an American conservative describing what we American conservatives generally believe. Once again, Alex continues to use his own non-dictionary definition in order to make some form of point that none of the rest of us understand, due to his loose use of the English language.

I really do not know why Alex would think any of us were interested in watching a political video by a video game designer, so I didn’t bother to click on the link, provided explicitly as a distraction from the Arabic and Jewish question that Alex is losing, here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Johnson_(game_designer)

Thank you that remind us the Allied’s crimes against German people in WWII, which resulted from occupation and displacment.

Beside the Arabic and Jewish question we discussed here, I would like bring to your attention that there are no real conservatives in USA, but only fake conservative, the so-called cuckservatives, Please study the following video and give me your statement. Thank you. Both, Greg Johnson and “Vox Day” are great thinker, conservatives and nationalists.

Greg Johnson Interviews Vox Day on “Cuckservative”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpuZaPt1eg

The disaster of the Middle East and of all arabs is that the Eastern European Victors left them unoccupied. Now that their appointed military dictators fall, there will be a new holocaust. We have to occupy the arabs, brutally, if the world is to enjoy peace again. Arabs left aloof is very very dangerous. They have to be chained and caged for their own and most of all for everyone else’s safety!

As you know, I am very critical to Islamic expansion. I like often to read your comments, but this one above is stupid.
I think it is ridiculous to compare situation in totally defeated, former world power Germany in 1945, which was able to sustain a worldwide war for a while, to the underdeveloped, tribal Palestine people, which were and are victims.

You are also wrong in a certain point. 15 millions of Germans fled by force not from Western Poland in 1945, but from (former) Eastern Germany, which was by the way finally officially separated from Germany in 1990 by a treaty, which was not a real peace treaty as hopped by many.

It was one of largest, enforced human displacement in history. Some millions loosed their lives during this event. There was an also a significant, residual Germany, which could support those fled. We may discuss about of German guilt, which by the way would not even support this kind of displacement and land occupation by Communists, commanded by Stalin, who shifted Poland westwards in order to gain more own territory, if WWII’s victors would had applied their proclaimed superior morality. BTW, a discussion at UN about these events could be of high value, but it is avoided by purpose. Palestine people are without any guilt, which could even remotely support occupation of their land.

Conservatives continue to understand that wealth and prosperity are created from the work that we do with our own minds and our own hands. Wealth and prosperity are not fixed amounts, a single pie, but increase through ideas (books, movies, iPhones, etc.) and work (new houses, roads, rockets, etc.). Ideas and work are the only source of wealth and prosperity, and taking from someone in order to give to someone else only stifles the increase of wealth as well as prosperity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkXI-MNSb8Q (10 minutes; Bill Whittle, “Wealth Creation”)

These are the concepts that you need to convey to your friends. J. K. Rowling was on British relief when she wrote her first Harry Potter book — value that was created in her head — and through the work of her publisher, a movie producer, and a toy licenser she was the root source for making money for a lot of people, keeping thousands of people off of welfare. Just with a story. A mere story, thought up out of thin air, brought prosperity to thousands of people. Good for Rowling.

There is no limited pot of money.

Just as the second pie was made out of thin air, the money earned from Harry Potter, his books, his movies, and his licensed toys were also made out of thin air. Someone had an idea for a story, other people turned it into a book, others turned it into a movie, and still others turned it into a whole bunch of toys — even Lego sets.

Oh, I almost forgot: As a side effect, Hundreds of millions of people were entertained and happy to pay for that entertainment. Rowling didn’t have to steal money to get wealthy, and she didn’t get wealthy by being on British welfare (which steals money from the productive to give to those who are not productive). She got wealthy by becoming one of the productive people, by being creative and working to bring that creativity to a capitalist free market.

Can someone in a socialist, communist, or Marxist country do that?

Remember the video that I linked earlier?
http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/hamas-has-made-gaza-unliveable-according-to-the-un/#comment-1000286
The only people who have a claim are the first ones there and the current ones there. Thus the videos that you linked have no bearing on this discussion, and I did not waste my time watching either of them. You are trying to distract the discussion to something irrelevant. As far as I can tell, Jews are both the first ones in Israel as well as among the current ones there.

The people in Gaza have absolutely no claim at all on Israel. To suggest otherwise is just as silly as my earlier examples of me having claims on any of my family’s legacy properties, which were sold, and all rights to them were legally transferred to the new owners.

Conquest has consequences, no apology, no excuses, no do overs, this is an Alpha condition.

Political Correctness and Social Justice attempt to rewrite this natural condition, of aggression, true, and of success and also of failure. Do you know who try’s to reverse this natural state? Those who lose and who believe that they have found a Beta way of prevailing.

The Caliphate proclaimed jihad against Britain and France and Russia and Italy in 1914. And it lost that war. Thus it was occupied. Thus it is up to the Victor to claim their superiority of the defeated province of Palestine. They could’ve turned it into a zoo for giraffes if they wanted. It’s up to the Victor alone. The defeated islamists have no say about it. If they wanted it any other way, they shouldn’t have declared a jihad against their superiors to begin with. Now they have to learn the lesson of consequences coming from action! That lesson doesn’t seem to have been whipped hard enough into them yet.

Alex: You do not read what others write very closely. I carefully noted the legal aspects of the Jewish immigration to Israel. Hardly an open borders position.

At first, it is not my logic. I presented just Prof. Sand analysis.

However, if I take your comment seriously: No, you cannot claim land in Russia, but your people cannot also claim land in Palestine.

You said above: “The important thing is to allow people today to live where they want, in peace, regardless of the past.”

Are you aware that you share this “open border” view with extreme leftists and communists? This view is not a position of a real conservative! This fake “neocon” conservatism. There is no such right for everyone/people to allow where to he or they want. Such a “right” attacks given citizens rights, property and heritage. You deny the right of any country/state to control its borders and protect and sustain its people! ANTIFA welcome you with this view. Congratulation!

But I kept reading.

The Left continues to strategically think / promote in these “one pie” terms in order to reach deep into the paranoia and natural jealousy of the public’s heart in order to acquire or retain what ever power they might have any one moment in time. “The rich!” ……….”The one percent!”………..”My taxes are too high and they pay nothing!”…..etc, etc.

Alex: Then, according to your logic, as a Jew I have claim to Russia. Get out now! I want my homeland back!

Bah. This is junk. The important thing is to allow people today to live where they want, in peace, regardless of the past.If they came legally (and note that the Jews immigrated to Israel legally, first under Ottoman Empire rule, then under British rule, then under Israeli rule), and are willing to live in peace with their neighbors, then their right to exist is sacrosanct.

You missed to recognize the importance if today’s Jews (and their identity) can be traced back to people in the acient Holy land or not, in respect to their claims of ownership to the land, which is now called Israel. That’s why the Khasar topic has also large significance.

There is a professor from Israel, Shlomo Sand (historian at Tel Aviv University), who says that Jews have no historic connection to the Holy Land. He says it’s a myth. The man is death threaten. I would like not to judge about it, but just present it here for evaluation and critics.

“Shlomo Sand was born in Linz, Austria, to Polish Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. His cultural background was grounded in Yiddish culture. …”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5s_trEBcbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymFBCR_q6k

It is like the story of the little red hen:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/stories/fairytale/littleredhen/story/

Some people do the work, and others expect a free share of the product.

Rather than a loaf of bread, think of the world’s economy as a pie. Many people make that comparison. There is only one pie to go around, but the people who baked it are required by government give up some of it to those who did not. There are farmers who grew the ingredients, a miller who made the flour, and a baker who put it all together. The several people who provided no help in producing the pie (produced nothing for the economy) are still fed. Since there is only one pie to go around, many people misinterpret the situation as the haves (those who make the pie) and the have nots (those who did nothing) living in a static situation in which only one pie is made to feed everyone.

However, if those who did not contribute to making the pie were to provide some of the labor, there could be a second pie. More wheat and filling grown, more flour made, and a helper to assist in making the second pie. This allows for more to go around and for an increase in the population.

Funny how the world’s population grew and grew when we operated like this in the olden days, and how the populations of the socialist countries — where they distribute the one pie that they have — have ceased to grow so much, sometimes even depending on immigration in order to keep up the labor force.

wayne wrote: “A perverse confluence of long term democrat rule, industry dominated by unions & historically tied to the fortunes of Detroit, concentrated poverty areas historically kept afloat by income-transfer’s and a high percentage of migrant labor.”

Coincidentally, I recently re-watched the three “Atlas Shrugged” movies (it is somewhat faster that reading the novel) and also my father, yesterday, started an email discussion on the Monty Hall Problem. I think that they both feed into this topic.

In the “Atlas Shrugged” story, government gains more and more control over the production of goods and services in order to direct a recovery from a recession. Laws and regulations are created that make it more and more difficult for the competent people to do their jobs but give control to those who have no idea how to accomplish anything. Unfortunately, this control is at the expense of those few who actually know how to produce and distribute the goods and services; control goes from the competent to the incompetent.

The competent group is seen as greedy, but the incompetent group actually is greedy, just greedy for power rather than money. For those who are “greedy” for money to gain that money, they must successfully produce and distribute their goods and services to those who are willing to pay for them; they must earn their wealth. For those who are greedy for power to gain that power, they must successfully distribute the first groups goods and services to a third group: those who are greedy for free, unearned stuff. Those greedy for power do nothing to earn that power, they just fool people into letting them have that power.

In “Atlas Shrugged,” there is a strike by those with the knowledge to produce and solve the problems of production and distribution. Without solutions to the problems that arise, production declines and distribution is lost, creating problems that are similar to Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis (among others).

As with modern Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis, the power greedy and the free-stuff greedy have driven out the wealth builders — the competent — leaving behind a dearth of goods and services. Why the scarcity? Because those seen as greedy for money were willing to earn that money by being productive; those greedy for power or for free stuff are not willing to earn either. Thus those perceived as money greedy are not as greedy as they are made to seem, but they are smart enough to get away from the greedy ones and go where they are more appreciated for their contributions.

Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis of half a century ago were productive cities. They retained those who were productive, and most people were productive. Most had not succumbed to the greedy thoughts of getting free stuff for no work. When you decide that it is OK to steal from the rich in order to give to the poor, then the rich decide that it is no longer worth doing the work that it takes to get rich. They leave or go on strike.

In the Monty Hall problem, the answer seems obvious, but turns out to be counterintuitive. After a door has been chosen, Monty Hall shows the goat that is behind another door, and this added information gives the contestant twice the chance of winning the grand prize if he changes his choice. Apparently, pigeons repeatedly exposed to the problem show that they rapidly learn always to switch.

It may seem obvious that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is only fair. After all, how are the poor to live without the rich providing for them, but the correct answer is for the poor to have the incentive to be productive and earn for themselves. When the poor become productive, they can support themselves, there are more goods and services to go around, and there is less need to steal from the rich, making productivity even more profitable. Everyone wins, and no one has to be greedy. This added productivity makes everyone more prosperous.

In a similar way, in Gaza, there are people greedy for power over Israel, and they are willing to sacrifice the Gaza population in their attempt to gain that power.

And the people of Gaza let those power-greedy people do that to them.

My goal is to understand and boil down the goings on in the political world in order to find an acceptable concise way to communicate what is to me “faulty” or confused / automatic / immersed in the forest type thinking. This situation, with specifically the leadership of the Democrat party where the everyday Democrats have become unable to see that their leadership has in fact gone way off the rails and are now committed to Marxist philosophy, although they define it as being “compassion” / “social justice” / “politically correct” etc. etc.
(And the Republican party leadership is also perverted in its own way, both are the eternal enemy of the people freedoms)

This bait and switch type politics will in time grind the United States down right in front of everyone’s eyes, and like watching a man that is too far away from shore to administer help, drowns and dies for all to see. Sad.

These subjects and conversations participated in right here and on many other sites by many people around the world are an exercise (for me anyway) in understanding and attempting to develop effective ways in understanding and discussing what must be understood and discussed.

Hopefully enough people are able to “see” in order to prevent what appears to be part of an inevitable cycle of destruction. The only unknown variable that can disturb the historical inevitable?…………………………………….. The Constitution. It is truly the only, by design, hope.

I am with you. I appreciate your growing insights regarding “political correctness”, “social justice” and all the other stuff.
Next step should be to look for the sources, or what cause these phenomena, which could summarized unter term “Neomarxism” or better cultural Marxism, in order to fight it and understand the processes. I found following videos insightful.

Why Cultural Marxism Is Destroying America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpzfdC8HGP4

The Architects of Western Decline: A Study on the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM

Cultural Marxism The Ideological Disease Destroying America & Western Civilization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6kmnRZm7j8

Thats the power acquisition and retention model, politicos feed the populous with other people’s confiscated money in the name of Compassion and “improving” their lives by creating these entitlements / perceived rights I.E. healthcare and over time destruction must ensue. These are open ended models that have no restraint built into them because they are perversions.

Its simple and politically effective, and once you are participating in it it becomes extremely hard to see.

Cotour–
Quick graphic from Heritage, on who-pays-what, current to 2013. Just to reinforce your point.
http://federalbudgetinpictures.com/do-the-rich-pay-their-fair-share/

What we seem to be witnessing is the large “Politically correct” and “Social justice” population centers becoming overwhelmed with the largess of the Liberal state mentality $$$. The plan has been simple, give the mass of the population more and more in the way of creating cultural dependency (social welfare programs) until the people who pay for everything can take it no more. Then decline happens I.E. Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis (the murder capital of America) etc. The only thing that saves New York City for the moment is the massive wealth that is generated within its boarders.

2.7 percent of the population pays 51.6 percent of the taxes in the country, think about that for a moment. The remaining 97.3 of the population pays the remaining 49.4 percent of all taxes. The government has too much access to the wealth of the people and what they do with all of that wealth is to fulfill their own personal empowerment and re-empowerment agendas. That is the vicious cycle.

These agendas become a collective conspiracy, a conspiracy by the empowered political class who must figure a way to retain the power they have acquired against the citizens that generate the wealth of our country. It is a perverted and corrupt game for certain.

But there are some positive indications underway IMO. Trump, who appears to be sincere in his America first position being elected being one of them and the fact that the Democrats have not been able to garner a win in the special elections that have taken place. I suspect that this trend will continue. Add to that the apparent more Conservative and American oriented trend in a certain segment of the younger population and there may be some more positive surprises in our future. I am guardedly optimistic.

I personally do not believe that the Democrats will be able to gather themselves and their message to in any way appeal to these newer and younger voters. Why? Because it is plain that these empowered politicians are or have become un American in their actions.

Cotour: You live in New York City, home to the most low-information voters anywhere. It does not surprise me you get this kind of ignorant response from people you meet. I did too when I lived in New York, or any Democratic Party dominated area. They are usually ignorant, or blindly partisan, often filled with irrational hatred for anything Republican, or conservative.

Note however that the majority of the nation voted against the Democratic Party, outside these regional enclaves of blindly Democratic voters. (See this map.)

I also expect the red areas to continue to grow in coming elections.