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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pzatchok asked: &quot;&lt;i&gt;If they were in a polar orbit would they be able to face the sun for the whole orbit?  If so could they use the solar thrust, light pressure to slowly break orbit?&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

The object of this exercise is to learn how to use and control a solar sail.  Ikaros gave an excellent proof of concept, as it showed that it changed its velocity due to light pressure.  The orbit that LightSail 2 is in gives the flight controllers plenty of opportunity to turn the sail &quot;with the wind&quot; and &quot;into the wind.&quot;*  My expectation is that something will go wrong, they will lose the sail, and they will learn an important lesson about the hazards to sailing with photons.  If nothing goes wrong, then they will have to wait for another sail before learning that lesson.  

In the case of a polar orbit, one in which the sail is always in sunlight, then the acceleration would always be away from the sun, perpendicular to its orbital plane around the Earth, and not in a direction that changes the apogee or perigee.  Counterintuitively, its orbit would not change as dramatically in such a polar orbit.  Most likely the plane of the orbit would change by a few feet, or less, away from the Earth&#039;s center of mass, where the direction of gravity would keep the plane from moving any farther (sine of the gravity vector balances the solar force on the sail).  

* Everyone, please note that solar sails use the momentum of photons, not the particles of the solar wind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pzatchok asked: &#8220;<i>If they were in a polar orbit would they be able to face the sun for the whole orbit?  If so could they use the solar thrust, light pressure to slowly break orbit?</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>The object of this exercise is to learn how to use and control a solar sail.  Ikaros gave an excellent proof of concept, as it showed that it changed its velocity due to light pressure.  The orbit that LightSail 2 is in gives the flight controllers plenty of opportunity to turn the sail &#8220;with the wind&#8221; and &#8220;into the wind.&#8221;*  My expectation is that something will go wrong, they will lose the sail, and they will learn an important lesson about the hazards to sailing with photons.  If nothing goes wrong, then they will have to wait for another sail before learning that lesson.  </p>
<p>In the case of a polar orbit, one in which the sail is always in sunlight, then the acceleration would always be away from the sun, perpendicular to its orbital plane around the Earth, and not in a direction that changes the apogee or perigee.  Counterintuitively, its orbit would not change as dramatically in such a polar orbit.  Most likely the plane of the orbit would change by a few feet, or less, away from the Earth&#8217;s center of mass, where the direction of gravity would keep the plane from moving any farther (sine of the gravity vector balances the solar force on the sail).  </p>
<p>* Everyone, please note that solar sails use the momentum of photons, not the particles of the solar wind.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 05:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/images-confirm-lightsail-2-deployment-success/#comment-1069252&quot;&gt;pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

pzatchok: I can&#039;t answer your specific question. However, I do know the Japanese in 2010 did put a solar sail in a solar orbit, called Ikaros, and used sunlight to adjust its orbit. Unfortunately their website never provided much additional information. See the links &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/lightsail-2-released-from-cubesat-establishes-contact/&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/images-confirm-lightsail-2-deployment-success/#comment-1069252">pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>pzatchok: I can&#8217;t answer your specific question. However, I do know the Japanese in 2010 did put a solar sail in a solar orbit, called Ikaros, and used sunlight to adjust its orbit. Unfortunately their website never provided much additional information. See the links <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/lightsail-2-released-from-cubesat-establishes-contact/">here.</a></p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 05:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If they were in a polar orbit would they be able to face the sun for the whole orbit?
If so could they use the solar thrust, light pressure to slowly break orbit? Or at least raise their orbit.


I fully understand their budgetary concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they were in a polar orbit would they be able to face the sun for the whole orbit?<br />
If so could they use the solar thrust, light pressure to slowly break orbit? Or at least raise their orbit.</p>
<p>I fully understand their budgetary concerns.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/images-confirm-lightsail-2-deployment-success/#comment-1069234&quot;&gt;pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

pzatchok wrote: &quot;If they had placed it into a polar orbit it would have lasted longer in orbit.&quot;

And if unicorns had wings we&#039;d all be saints. The Planetary Society purchased the satellite and the launch vehicle it could afford. In the past few decades it has been hard enough to get anything like this even into orbit. To nitpick them because they are doing this technology test in Earth orbit is quite unseemly. It does not do you credit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/images-confirm-lightsail-2-deployment-success/#comment-1069234">pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>pzatchok wrote: &#8220;If they had placed it into a polar orbit it would have lasted longer in orbit.&#8221;</p>
<p>And if unicorns had wings we&#8217;d all be saints. The Planetary Society purchased the satellite and the launch vehicle it could afford. In the past few decades it has been hard enough to get anything like this even into orbit. To nitpick them because they are doing this technology test in Earth orbit is quite unseemly. It does not do you credit.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If they had placed it into a polar orbit it would have lasted longer in orbit.
As it is, as one side of its orbit moves away from the Earth the other side of the orbit moves closer until it hits atmosphere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they had placed it into a polar orbit it would have lasted longer in orbit.<br />
As it is, as one side of its orbit moves away from the Earth the other side of the orbit moves closer until it hits atmosphere.</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 04:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The answer my friends is blown in the wind ... or was it blowing ...?
or some such.

Sail needs Solar Winds, and good Solar activity.
Sunspots ON !  Flares, STANDBY !

Fair winds and following Seas LightSail-2  !!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer my friends is blown in the wind &#8230; or was it blowing &#8230;?<br />
or some such.</p>
<p>Sail needs Solar Winds, and good Solar activity.<br />
Sunspots ON !  Flares, STANDBY !</p>
<p>Fair winds and following Seas LightSail-2  !!</p>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was rather amazed at the amount of pressure the Sun exerts. From Wikipedia:  &quot;A typical spacecraft going to Mars, for example, will be displaced thousands of kilometers by solar pressure&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was rather amazed at the amount of pressure the Sun exerts. From Wikipedia:  &#8220;A typical spacecraft going to Mars, for example, will be displaced thousands of kilometers by solar pressure&#8221;</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, wrong post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, wrong post.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One scientist&#039;s recommendations for what to do if you find a meteorite.  
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm?mod=article_inline 

Pay particular attention to the rude admonishments, because in all likelihood: 
&quot;&lt;i&gt;I’m sorry, but you have not found a meteorite.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Amazingly: &quot;&lt;i&gt;most things that fall from the sky are not meteorites.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One scientist&#8217;s recommendations for what to do if you find a meteorite.<br />
<a href="http://meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm?mod=article_inline" rel="nofollow ugc">http://meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm?mod=article_inline</a> </p>
<p>Pay particular attention to the rude admonishments, because in all likelihood:<br />
&#8220;<i>I’m sorry, but you have not found a meteorite.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Amazingly: &#8220;<i>most things that fall from the sky are not meteorites.</i>&#8220;</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Max wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I am disappointed to see that the material is shiny on both sides.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

It does not matter that the back side is shiny, as only the side toward the light source (the sun) will do the propulsive work.  A solar sail is very different from a radiometer.  An advantage to having two shiny sides is that it does not matter which side is toward the sun and doing the propulsion, which may give the controllers more options and freedom.  

Making the &quot;other&quot; side not shiny would make the sail heavier, reducing its performance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max wrote: &#8220;<i>I am disappointed to see that the material is shiny on both sides.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>It does not matter that the back side is shiny, as only the side toward the light source (the sun) will do the propulsive work.  A solar sail is very different from a radiometer.  An advantage to having two shiny sides is that it does not matter which side is toward the sun and doing the propulsion, which may give the controllers more options and freedom.  </p>
<p>Making the &#8220;other&#8221; side not shiny would make the sail heavier, reducing its performance.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am disappointed to see that the material is shiny on both sides.  A radiometer is driven from light on a black surface. It would been interesting to see which side creates more thrust even though it&#039;s in a vacuum. 
   Hopefully it is high enough and will not be compromised by Earth&#039;s atmosphere which is a significant drag on low Earth orbit satellites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed to see that the material is shiny on both sides.  A radiometer is driven from light on a black surface. It would been interesting to see which side creates more thrust even though it&#8217;s in a vacuum.<br />
   Hopefully it is high enough and will not be compromised by Earth&#8217;s atmosphere which is a significant drag on low Earth orbit satellites.</p>
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