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	Comments on: In demanding an investigation by SpaceX into the Starship failure on this week&#8217;s test flight, the FAA puffs up its chest and pounds it like a chimpanzee	</title>
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		By: Mike Borgelt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borgelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2025 03:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grok says Starship is intended to land in the Indian Ocean. 300 to 600 miles off the coast of Australia. SpaceX must have to get informal or indirect approval from that country for Starship to splash down within its vicinity.&quot;
Wrong. It is not even in Australia&#039;s economic zone. International waters. They don&#039;t have to do anything. They did talk to the Australian government about towing soft landed Starships into Port Hedland IIRC but that seems to have gone quiet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grok says Starship is intended to land in the Indian Ocean. 300 to 600 miles off the coast of Australia. SpaceX must have to get informal or indirect approval from that country for Starship to splash down within its vicinity.&#8221;<br />
Wrong. It is not even in Australia&#8217;s economic zone. International waters. They don&#8217;t have to do anything. They did talk to the Australian government about towing soft landed Starships into Port Hedland IIRC but that seems to have gone quiet.</p>
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		By: Booster Bunny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Booster Bunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 12:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where were they when Boeing was putting humans in a Starliner that hadn&#039;t had a fully successful test flight? Are they even going to insist on another unmanned flight to prove the issues are fully resolved? What happened to Butch and Suni was disgraceful. I can&#039;t even imagine their feelings when they believed they might never return to earth. Has Boeing ever apoligized for sending them up in a capsule that never had a fully successful test? Spending so much more money then SpaceX even receieved to provide a fully functional vehicle plus all the extra years for what? 

SpaceX automatically does an in depth investigation when anything goes even slightly wrong because their program is too important to them to allow a problem to replicate across everything they pretty much mass produce. And there&#039;s a reason they call these test flights. A simulator or only testing on earth is unlikely to give them as much information quickly as actually testing where it&#039;s expected to fly. That Version 2 Ship is still having growing pains is not totally unexpected once it only got to space for the first time but would think lessons learned will be applied to Version 3 as applicable. Losing the booster was an acceptable risk to test it&#039;s limits since it already proved reflight and a controlled flip. They&#039;ll be going to a Version 2 soon anyway so weren&#039;t planning on another reuse. Their approved flight plan included the risks and areas on earth they were aiming to come down in, one way or another.

Instead of making demands like they&#039;re dealing with a naughty child, a simple request to include their investigation results before or with their next flight approval request should have been enough. Not like they actually always finish figuring out what SpaceX sends them and closing their file on the mishap before allowing the next flight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were they when Boeing was putting humans in a Starliner that hadn&#8217;t had a fully successful test flight? Are they even going to insist on another unmanned flight to prove the issues are fully resolved? What happened to Butch and Suni was disgraceful. I can&#8217;t even imagine their feelings when they believed they might never return to earth. Has Boeing ever apoligized for sending them up in a capsule that never had a fully successful test? Spending so much more money then SpaceX even receieved to provide a fully functional vehicle plus all the extra years for what? </p>
<p>SpaceX automatically does an in depth investigation when anything goes even slightly wrong because their program is too important to them to allow a problem to replicate across everything they pretty much mass produce. And there&#8217;s a reason they call these test flights. A simulator or only testing on earth is unlikely to give them as much information quickly as actually testing where it&#8217;s expected to fly. That Version 2 Ship is still having growing pains is not totally unexpected once it only got to space for the first time but would think lessons learned will be applied to Version 3 as applicable. Losing the booster was an acceptable risk to test it&#8217;s limits since it already proved reflight and a controlled flip. They&#8217;ll be going to a Version 2 soon anyway so weren&#8217;t planning on another reuse. Their approved flight plan included the risks and areas on earth they were aiming to come down in, one way or another.</p>
<p>Instead of making demands like they&#8217;re dealing with a naughty child, a simple request to include their investigation results before or with their next flight approval request should have been enough. Not like they actually always finish figuring out what SpaceX sends them and closing their file on the mishap before allowing the next flight.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-demanding-an-investigation-by-spacex-into-the-starship-failure-on-this-weeks-test-flight-the-faa-puffs-up-its-chest-and-pounds-it-like-a-chimpanzee/#comment-1592536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 02:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grok says Starship is intended to land in the Indian Ocean. 300 to 600 miles off the coast of Australia.  SpaceX must have to get informal or indirect approval from that country for Starship to splash down within its vicinity.  Would it be NASA, the space force or the FAA which vouch for SpaceX in getting friendly countries to agree to Starship flying over or coming down near their borders?   The point being,  the FAA requiring SpaceX to submit detailed reports after each flight and having the authority to deny flight permission might be what is keeping foreign countries on board in terms of allowing splash down in international waters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grok says Starship is intended to land in the Indian Ocean. 300 to 600 miles off the coast of Australia.  SpaceX must have to get informal or indirect approval from that country for Starship to splash down within its vicinity.  Would it be NASA, the space force or the FAA which vouch for SpaceX in getting friendly countries to agree to Starship flying over or coming down near their borders?   The point being,  the FAA requiring SpaceX to submit detailed reports after each flight and having the authority to deny flight permission might be what is keeping foreign countries on board in terms of allowing splash down in international waters.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-demanding-an-investigation-by-spacex-into-the-starship-failure-on-this-weeks-test-flight-the-faa-puffs-up-its-chest-and-pounds-it-like-a-chimpanzee/#comment-1592512&quot;&gt;Ray Van Dune&lt;/a&gt;.

Ray Van Dune: While is it true that the FAA has required a mishap investigation after each Starship/Superheavy test launch, it has NOT promptly accepted SpaceX&#039;s findings and corrective actions after each report. During the Biden years, it would spend anywhere from one to three months retyping SpaceX&#039;s report into its own, making believe it was doing something when all it was really doing was slow-walking SpaceX because Biden and the Democrats didn&#039;t like the fact that Elon Musk opposed them politically.

Since the election, the FAA has suddenly found that retyping unnecessary (I am shocked, SHOCKED) and have issued the launch license within days (or less) after SpaceX finished its investigation.

My what a difference an election makes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-demanding-an-investigation-by-spacex-into-the-starship-failure-on-this-weeks-test-flight-the-faa-puffs-up-its-chest-and-pounds-it-like-a-chimpanzee/#comment-1592512">Ray Van Dune</a>.</p>
<p>Ray Van Dune: While is it true that the FAA has required a mishap investigation after each Starship/Superheavy test launch, it has NOT promptly accepted SpaceX&#8217;s findings and corrective actions after each report. During the Biden years, it would spend anywhere from one to three months retyping SpaceX&#8217;s report into its own, making believe it was doing something when all it was really doing was slow-walking SpaceX because Biden and the Democrats didn&#8217;t like the fact that Elon Musk opposed them politically.</p>
<p>Since the election, the FAA has suddenly found that retyping unnecessary (I am shocked, SHOCKED) and have issued the launch license within days (or less) after SpaceX finished its investigation.</p>
<p>My what a difference an election makes.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2025 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ASFAIK, the FAA has &quot;demanded&quot; SpaceX conduct a mishap investigation after every Starship test flight that suffered some type of failure, which is all of them, and promptly accepted the findings and corrective actions of each report.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASFAIK, the FAA has &#8220;demanded&#8221; SpaceX conduct a mishap investigation after every Starship test flight that suffered some type of failure, which is all of them, and promptly accepted the findings and corrective actions of each report.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2025 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not think SpaceX has the option of Starship exploding or losing control while it is so high in the atmosphere.  The explosion was described as a RUD - meaning it was not a flight termination explosion.   There will be ships and planes beneath the overflying Starship.  How soon before the UN figures it can assert some authority to regulate all sub orbital flights?  The big, existential problem for Starship is going to be once it is testing Starship in orbit. An orbital explosion, with the resulting increase in space junk, will be the end of the program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think SpaceX has the option of Starship exploding or losing control while it is so high in the atmosphere.  The explosion was described as a RUD &#8211; meaning it was not a flight termination explosion.   There will be ships and planes beneath the overflying Starship.  How soon before the UN figures it can assert some authority to regulate all sub orbital flights?  The big, existential problem for Starship is going to be once it is testing Starship in orbit. An orbital explosion, with the resulting increase in space junk, will be the end of the program.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2025 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Does anything think SpaceX wasn’t going to do an investigation without an order from the FAA?&lt;/i&gt;

People just don&#039;t get this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does anything think SpaceX wasn’t going to do an investigation without an order from the FAA?</i></p>
<p>People just don&#8217;t get this.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2025 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time to take spaceflight out of their jurisdiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to take spaceflight out of their jurisdiction.</p>
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