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	Comments on: In NASA&#8217;s new contract with Russia to launch astronauts to ISS Russia has raised the ticket price from $63 million to $70.6 million per seat.	</title>
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		By: Kelly Starks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Starks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;..In the end, these price increases are actually a good thing, as they will make it easier for the new
&#062; American companies to undercut them while simultaneously making a bigger profit...

That would of course first need there to BE any American companies that could offer competing services.  First launch of commercial crews not for abut 4-5 years - add a couple years to certify and be ready to carry folks --- course the stations not scheduled to stil be flying then.

Then of course you&#039;d need to be cost competitive.  Each Falcon/Dragon launch costs NASA $400 M in total costs (no Bob, $140M is just the launch cost paid to SpaceX, not the total costs to NASA.) so if they lift  4 folks a trip - $100M a seat for NASA.  More then that could exceed ISS&#039; carrying capacity, but if you assume 6 passengers, its still $67M per seat, compared to the russians $70.6 million per seat, assuming no price increases at all to fly crew vrs cargo on a flight - and assuming ISS can suppoprt 6 and has lifeboat capacity for them.

I think the Russians have judged the market correctly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;..In the end, these price increases are actually a good thing, as they will make it easier for the new<br />
&gt; American companies to undercut them while simultaneously making a bigger profit&#8230;</p>
<p>That would of course first need there to BE any American companies that could offer competing services.  First launch of commercial crews not for abut 4-5 years &#8211; add a couple years to certify and be ready to carry folks &#8212; course the stations not scheduled to stil be flying then.</p>
<p>Then of course you&#8217;d need to be cost competitive.  Each Falcon/Dragon launch costs NASA $400 M in total costs (no Bob, $140M is just the launch cost paid to SpaceX, not the total costs to NASA.) so if they lift  4 folks a trip &#8211; $100M a seat for NASA.  More then that could exceed ISS&#8217; carrying capacity, but if you assume 6 passengers, its still $67M per seat, compared to the russians $70.6 million per seat, assuming no price increases at all to fly crew vrs cargo on a flight &#8211; and assuming ISS can suppoprt 6 and has lifeboat capacity for them.</p>
<p>I think the Russians have judged the market correctly.</p>
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		By: Mike Fass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Fass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-nasas-new-contract-with-russia-to-launch-astronauts-to-iss-russia-has-raised-the-ticket-price-from-63-million-to-70-6-million-per-seat/#comment-94478&quot;&gt;Robert Zimmerman&lt;/a&gt;.

My sister, Arline, will agree with you, I&#039;m sure. She&#039;s living out in Suarita right at the desert&#039;s edge. Plus the array of stars visible in our small neighborhood in the spiral arm of the Milky Way from Arizona is spectacular beyond description! The average New Yorker who&#039;s never been outside city limits would probably think there are only between 18 and 20 stars in visible range of our side of the Earth, LOL!

Hope you&#039;ll shoot me an email when you get a chance so I can give you my new number. Otherwise I&#039;d have to quote from one of Mr. Herzberg&#039;s favorite western movie lines, &quot;What kind of a man are you, Zimmerman?&quot;

LOL! Love ya, Bob!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-nasas-new-contract-with-russia-to-launch-astronauts-to-iss-russia-has-raised-the-ticket-price-from-63-million-to-70-6-million-per-seat/#comment-94478">Robert Zimmerman</a>.</p>
<p>My sister, Arline, will agree with you, I&#8217;m sure. She&#8217;s living out in Suarita right at the desert&#8217;s edge. Plus the array of stars visible in our small neighborhood in the spiral arm of the Milky Way from Arizona is spectacular beyond description! The average New Yorker who&#8217;s never been outside city limits would probably think there are only between 18 and 20 stars in visible range of our side of the Earth, LOL!</p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;ll shoot me an email when you get a chance so I can give you my new number. Otherwise I&#8217;d have to quote from one of Mr. Herzberg&#8217;s favorite western movie lines, &#8220;What kind of a man are you, Zimmerman?&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL! Love ya, Bob!</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 18:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-nasas-new-contract-with-russia-to-launch-astronauts-to-iss-russia-has-raised-the-ticket-price-from-63-million-to-70-6-million-per-seat/#comment-94473&quot;&gt;Mike Fass&lt;/a&gt;.

Yo Mike,

To quote Bob Herzberg, &quot;Whatever.&quot;

Seriously, glad to hear from you. I hope all is well in New York, though I can tell you without doubt that things are better here in Arizona.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/in-nasas-new-contract-with-russia-to-launch-astronauts-to-iss-russia-has-raised-the-ticket-price-from-63-million-to-70-6-million-per-seat/#comment-94473">Mike Fass</a>.</p>
<p>Yo Mike,</p>
<p>To quote Bob Herzberg, &#8220;Whatever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, glad to hear from you. I hope all is well in New York, though I can tell you without doubt that things are better here in Arizona.</p>
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		By: Mike Fass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Fass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to agree. Anything that promotes the private sector aerospace industry is a good and, I also believe, economically healthy thing not only for this country but for the world. Also, as a fellow lover of all things outer space, it&#039;s not slipped by me that our continuing involvement in space commerce keeps the doors wide open for better and alternative funding for the continued exploration of our cosmos and I find that to be encouraging as well as exciting. Of course, my famous Soviet Russian character, Zangief, as quoted in Street Fighter IV, when asked what he thought of the new Russia, called it &quot;a pussy capitalist regime&quot;. LOL! He drinks a LOT of vodka. &#039;Nuff said.

Always a pleasure to hear you on the radio and I miss your wonderful laugh. Let&#039;s all do dinner when you&#039;re in New York.

Mike Fass
Zangief from &quot;Street Fighter: The Later Years&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree. Anything that promotes the private sector aerospace industry is a good and, I also believe, economically healthy thing not only for this country but for the world. Also, as a fellow lover of all things outer space, it&#8217;s not slipped by me that our continuing involvement in space commerce keeps the doors wide open for better and alternative funding for the continued exploration of our cosmos and I find that to be encouraging as well as exciting. Of course, my famous Soviet Russian character, Zangief, as quoted in Street Fighter IV, when asked what he thought of the new Russia, called it &#8220;a pussy capitalist regime&#8221;. LOL! He drinks a LOT of vodka. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
<p>Always a pleasure to hear you on the radio and I miss your wonderful laugh. Let&#8217;s all do dinner when you&#8217;re in New York.</p>
<p>Mike Fass<br />
Zangief from &#8220;Street Fighter: The Later Years&#8221;</p>
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		By: ken anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 03:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Govt. makes the penalties, they don&#039;t take the penalties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Govt. makes the penalties, they don&#8217;t take the penalties.</p>
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		By: Trent Waddington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent Waddington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 01:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/04/will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services

SpaceX and Orbital Sciences are about to discover what a &quot;contract&quot; with the government actually means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/04/will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/04/will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=will-nasa-cut-commercial-resupply-services</a></p>
<p>SpaceX and Orbital Sciences are about to discover what a &#8220;contract&#8221; with the government actually means.</p>
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