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		By: Michael McNeil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael McNeil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee: Ditto. E.g.: when I was a kid and young adult Sagan and Shklovsky&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Intelligent Life in the Universe&lt;/i&gt; was one of my absolutely favorite books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee: Ditto. E.g.: when I was a kid and young adult Sagan and Shklovsky&#8217;s <i>Intelligent Life in the Universe</i> was one of my absolutely favorite books.</p>
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		By: Lee S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bloody autocorrect... Excuse my typos above....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody autocorrect&#8230; Excuse my typos above&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Lee S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And to more address your comment... Carl Sagan is amongst my heroes... Cosmos instilled in me the wonder I have for space exploration, and when I grew older, his scientific work amazed me.... Especially his speculation that complex hydrocarbons could fall like rain on Titan ( I have a Titan fetish!) , Proven to be true....
      I never met the man, but she&#039;d a tear when he passed away...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to more address your comment&#8230; Carl Sagan is amongst my heroes&#8230; Cosmos instilled in me the wonder I have for space exploration, and when I grew older, his scientific work amazed me&#8230;. Especially his speculation that complex hydrocarbons could fall like rain on Titan ( I have a Titan fetish!) , Proven to be true&#8230;.<br />
      I never met the man, but she&#8217;d a tear when he passed away&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lee S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Michael.... I have no doubt whatsoever we will discover microbial life on Mars.... If it ever evolved to multicellular... That&#039;s another question... ( I hope the answer/confirmation will be answered with the next generation of Mars Landers and rovers due for the next launch window.. )
     I see no reason why multicellular life could not have evolved under the ice of the Galilain moons... That will take longer to detect, and Enceladus emains an enigma.
 Titan is my favourite place so far kind of explored to find life, because it will be very different from anything that could survive on earth... But it has liquids, an energy gradient, and tides, ( big thanks to Ralph Lorenz, the go to scientist regarding Titan... He shared many of his papers with me... I love scientists that don&#039;t mind sharing with us mortal folk!)
      I believe in my lifetime we will either find proof that life is inevitable, or that life is very rare indeed... Either result will be very thought provoking.. but I&#039;m betting on the former option!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael&#8230;. I have no doubt whatsoever we will discover microbial life on Mars&#8230;. If it ever evolved to multicellular&#8230; That&#8217;s another question&#8230; ( I hope the answer/confirmation will be answered with the next generation of Mars Landers and rovers due for the next launch window.. )<br />
     I see no reason why multicellular life could not have evolved under the ice of the Galilain moons&#8230; That will take longer to detect, and Enceladus emains an enigma.<br />
 Titan is my favourite place so far kind of explored to find life, because it will be very different from anything that could survive on earth&#8230; But it has liquids, an energy gradient, and tides, ( big thanks to Ralph Lorenz, the go to scientist regarding Titan&#8230; He shared many of his papers with me&#8230; I love scientists that don&#8217;t mind sharing with us mortal folk!)<br />
      I believe in my lifetime we will either find proof that life is inevitable, or that life is very rare indeed&#8230; Either result will be very thought provoking.. but I&#8217;m betting on the former option!</p>
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		By: Michael McNeil		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/islands-of-ice-on-mars-and-pluto/#comment-1072998</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael McNeil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 12:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With regard to the subject of this post, to compare these southern martian water-ice-inhabited craters with the already-recognized &lt;i&gt;northern hemisphere&lt;/i&gt; high-latitude water-ice crater “mounds,” see this paper from Icarus: “&lt;a href=&quot;https://besserermaths.log.bzh/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2017/01/Conway12_climate-driven_depos_ice_MarsNpol_I.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Climate-driven deposition of water ice and the formation of mounds in craters in Mars’ north polar region&lt;/a&gt;,” Icarus 220 (2012) 174–193 [pdf].

Concerning the asymmetrical distribution of the southern “icy” craters which you note, compare that with the distribution map of _northern_ craters bearing ice mounds — on p. 4 (p. 177) of the foregoing Icarus paper. Looking at that, I&#039;d say their distribution is not particular symmetrical either — particularly when examined closely.

Notice crater Korolov, for instance, choked with ice despite its low 70&#039;s latitude — then there&#039;s crater Louth, actually at 70 degrees latitude. Also, FYI, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sciencealert.com/a-mars-satellite-has-taken-amazing-pics-of-a-massive-crater-full-of-martian-ice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a great shot&lt;/a&gt; (taken by Mars Express) of crater Korolov&#039;s 3,848 cubic kilometers (according to the Icarus paper&#039;s Table 1) of ice!

One might additionally peruse the explanation(s) proffered for the existence of the sizable ice mounds placed within certain high-latitude northern-hemisphere craters, as laid out in section 4 — beginning on p. 10 (p. 183) of the Icarus paper. From the text, it appears that the only viable theory explaining the (northern martian crater) ice-mound phenomenon is   (as described in section 4.5) martian “craters as cold traps.”

See in particular the paper&#039;s explanatory Fig. 15 — appearing on p. 17 (190).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the subject of this post, to compare these southern martian water-ice-inhabited craters with the already-recognized <i>northern hemisphere</i> high-latitude water-ice crater “mounds,” see this paper from Icarus: “<a href="https://besserermaths.log.bzh/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2017/01/Conway12_climate-driven_depos_ice_MarsNpol_I.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">Climate-driven deposition of water ice and the formation of mounds in craters in Mars’ north polar region</a>,” Icarus 220 (2012) 174–193 [pdf].</p>
<p>Concerning the asymmetrical distribution of the southern “icy” craters which you note, compare that with the distribution map of _northern_ craters bearing ice mounds — on p. 4 (p. 177) of the foregoing Icarus paper. Looking at that, I&#8217;d say their distribution is not particular symmetrical either — particularly when examined closely.</p>
<p>Notice crater Korolov, for instance, choked with ice despite its low 70&#8217;s latitude — then there&#8217;s crater Louth, actually at 70 degrees latitude. Also, FYI, <a href="https://www.sciencealert.com/a-mars-satellite-has-taken-amazing-pics-of-a-massive-crater-full-of-martian-ice" rel="nofollow ugc">here&#8217;s a great shot</a> (taken by Mars Express) of crater Korolov&#8217;s 3,848 cubic kilometers (according to the Icarus paper&#8217;s Table 1) of ice!</p>
<p>One might additionally peruse the explanation(s) proffered for the existence of the sizable ice mounds placed within certain high-latitude northern-hemisphere craters, as laid out in section 4 — beginning on p. 10 (p. 183) of the Icarus paper. From the text, it appears that the only viable theory explaining the (northern martian crater) ice-mound phenomenon is   (as described in section 4.5) martian “craters as cold traps.”</p>
<p>See in particular the paper&#8217;s explanatory Fig. 15 — appearing on p. 17 (190).</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael McNeil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With regard to the foregoing comment, back in approximately the 80&#039;s Carl Sagan wrote his famous article “Life” for Encyclopaedia Britannica, wherein he argued that life — carbon-based life — from a purely chemical-bonds point of view, could possibly exist on any planet or moon extending from Mercury to Pluto. (Earthlike) life, as Sagan pointed out, requires carbon bonds which are not too strong (so they can be broken and reshaped when desired) but also not too weak (so compounds don&#039;t just fall apart). Well, he said, such carbon bonds are available in all strengths from extremely strong to extremely weak at all those distances/temperatures from the sun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the foregoing comment, back in approximately the 80&#8217;s Carl Sagan wrote his famous article “Life” for Encyclopaedia Britannica, wherein he argued that life — carbon-based life — from a purely chemical-bonds point of view, could possibly exist on any planet or moon extending from Mercury to Pluto. (Earthlike) life, as Sagan pointed out, requires carbon bonds which are not too strong (so they can be broken and reshaped when desired) but also not too weak (so compounds don&#8217;t just fall apart). Well, he said, such carbon bonds are available in all strengths from extremely strong to extremely weak at all those distances/temperatures from the sun.</p>
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		By: Lee S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thing that fascinates me is that I was taught back in the 80&#039;s that life was impossible on anywhere else in our solar system... I argued the point, because black smokers had been discovered recently...
     I failed the module...and the &quot;teacher&quot; hated me.
 The same teacher told us it was futile to imagine we could ever discover if there were planets around other stars...
    My teacher was wrong, but he should have at least accepted that doctrine can change..
  I love this stuff!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that fascinates me is that I was taught back in the 80&#8217;s that life was impossible on anywhere else in our solar system&#8230; I argued the point, because black smokers had been discovered recently&#8230;<br />
     I failed the module&#8230;and the &#8220;teacher&#8221; hated me.<br />
 The same teacher told us it was futile to imagine we could ever discover if there were planets around other stars&#8230;<br />
    My teacher was wrong, but he should have at least accepted that doctrine can change..<br />
  I love this stuff!</p>
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