Comments on: Japanese metal manufacturer faked specifications to hundreds of companies https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/ Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Chris https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017617 Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:57:19 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017617 Yeah, count me among those who thought it was a pun intended! :-)

]]> By: Joe https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017571 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:51:31 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017571 Mitch S, molybdenum is a key ingredient in chrome moly steel used extensively in the aerosoace industry, maybe not so much in rockets but in structural areas where lightweight strength is required.
Michael Dean Miller, great pun!

]]> By: Mitch S https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017527 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:25:25 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017527 Wow this is a big scandal.
Another blow to Japan’s reputation.
Not only the Takata airbags, but there was the scandal with Mitsubishi Trucks (they didn’t recall trucks with defective hubs and a woman and her baby were killed when a wheel came off and hit them).
And the various financial scandals (Toshiba of particular note).

Kobe Steel had a particular reputation for quality.
I remember when Indy Car required engines use steel valve springs (Formula 1 uses pneumatic springs to allow high RPM), engine builders first went to Sweden to get the special, high-purity steel needed to handle high RPM, but found the ultimate quality steel from Kobe Steel.

Why would someone pay more for “Made in Japan” when it can no longer be trusted?
Might as well buy from China and do in-house quality checks.
(PS Mitsubishi Trucks is now part of Daimler-Benz)

PS I also thought “holy moly” was a pun on molybdenum.
Robert, you’re clever even when you don’t know it!

]]> By: diane wilson https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017514 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:59:16 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017514 Considering that Falcon 9’s in-flight failure was due to a structural part that failed to meet specifications certified by a subcontractor, yes, I’d say that rockets could be at risk.

Japan is not the country that it used to be. With its demographic collapse, long-term economic doldrums, and decline of marriage and birth-rate, this could be another sign of cultural implosion.

]]> By: Michael Dean Miller https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017511 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:01:19 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017511 Joe,
I appreciate punnery but I think you might have meant “holey” not holy.
Just trying to clarify without being metalsome.
Mike

]]> By: Robert Zimmerman https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017486 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:30:19 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017486 In reply to Joe.

Joe. Heh. I wish I could claim credit but that was a total accident.

]]> By: Joe https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017483 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:19:19 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017483 Moly is a type of steel, holy would be a defect in said steel.

]]> By: Robert Zimmerman https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017476 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 04:31:43 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017476 In reply to Blair Ivey.

Blair Ivey: Honestly, I don’t see the pun, nor was it intended. And I realize if you need to explain it is a failure, but I don’t get it, and I wrote it.

]]> By: Blair Ivey https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017473 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 04:09:36 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017473 “Holy moly! Kobe Steel . . ”

Was that a purposeful pun?

]]> By: Cotour https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017464 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:42:40 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017464 Art imitating life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_My_Sons_(film)

Probably most certainly art imitating life.

]]> By: Garry https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017462 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:24:42 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017462 I saw this last week, and it’s horrifying! Japan built its whole economy on quality and reliability, and this goes directly in the face of all that.

This is going to cause a lot of havoc among the steelmaker’s customers, and in the next few months I expect to get a flurry of work from car companies, etc. explaining that they followed proper receiving procedures to ensure that all steel received met specifications. I fear that some companies may have skipped acceptance inspections, which may lead to failures of a lot of different products.

I wouldn’t rule out the modern version of seppuku (suicide without the rituals).

]]> By: wayne https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017441 Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:29:13 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017441 eddie–
good stuff.

(I just got my recall notice last week, for my Nissan, with its Takata airbag.)

]]> By: eddie willers https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/japanese-metal-manufacturer-faked-specifications-to-hundreds-of-companies/#comment-1017433 Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:46:19 +0000 http://behindtheblack.com/?p=48352#comment-1017433 Oh my. I never really cared about VW fudging their software because who was hurt? CAFE goals were unreasonable.

But this?!

I worked for JVC (Victor Company of Japan) in the 80s and I greatly admired their work ethic and their ethics, period. I do not believe this could have even been considered, much less implemented, back then.

But with this and the Takata airbags, something has obviously changed. In 1850 all these guys would commit seppuku. Today they not only need to resign, they need to go to jail.

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