Like I have said before, I am both optimistic and pessimistic, in almost even measures. I can certainly agree with your observations but these two things become central issues for me, 1. The Liberals successful ability to offer the masses other peoples money in trade for votes and 2. The Republicans inability to competently communicate a philosophy without creating polarizing fear.

These are the two unknowns in my mind and if I were forced to simply choose a winner in this current American political game between bribery or fear I would have to choose bribery to prevail.

>> “Obama may have discredited liberalism for a generation.”

> I don’t fully agree with you here, there are plenty of people who
> believe that Obamas “moral literalism” and purposeful lying is
> much more preferable to proposed more traditional
> Democrat / Liberal Democrat same old BS philosophies, …

Remember that since Obama did force a extremely left wing version of progressivism, resulting in virtually all moderate to semi moderate dems losing reelection in any competitive – and many high uncompetitive districts and states (a Tea Party guy won a house seat in Wisconsin??!!), the dem national party is virtually nothing but committed liberal extremists. In a country with a political spectrum of voters averaging out as center right (hint Fox news was crafted to average out at the center right point liberals go insane over, to attract a big audience, which they have done staggeringly well. Self identified conservatives outnumber self identified progressive/liberal 2 to 1.), hes pushed the surviving democratic party, and painted democrats and liberals as, his form of destructive, infuriatingly arrogant, brand of liberal/progressive. It will take a long time for voters to forget that image, or the national democratic party to moderate, reform, and be able to resell progressivism — if that resulting party still does.

Psat that, the economic and political rebound possible from just stoping a lot of these policies will further tarnish the liberal brand the way Obamacare and a lot of his actions did. Pollitical face plants like this can take a long time to wear off.

>…. The question will remain, who will prevail if and when the big
> money last gen politicians are purged from the field, the next gen
> Constitutional Tea Party Conservatives or the Marxist /
> Socialist “progressives”?

Obama again pretty well killed #2. The tea part has been unraveling for a while. It was a common ground party for conservatives and libertarians to focus on small limited gov. But the libertarians have a strong isolationist bent which is pulling them away from the tea party conservatives. Though really groups like the tea party tend to be of short duration historically.

> Whom ever prevails they will have an economic golden opportunity
> open to them after the depressive effects that Obama and
> his “fundamental change” has had on the American economy.

Agree here completely, and its a big part of my point. With so much broad based damage done, even a half way neutral response will generate huge gains and make the folks in power then look like saviors. By extension the ousted viewpoint is “proven” to be the spawn of Satan. Que pitchforks and torches!!
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“Obama may have discredited liberalism for a generation.”

I don’t fully agree with you here, there are plenty of people who believe that Obamas “moral literalism” and purposeful lying is much more preferable to proposed more traditional Democrat / Liberal Democrat same old BS philosophies, and they certainly believe that he is preferable to any form of Republican and along with that any thoughts of any kind of Conservative.

Where does hope spring eternal? In the developing media hit attempts at revealing the American presidential royalty and their dynastic view of their proper place in American power politics, the Clintons and the Bush’s.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-23/clinton-cash-author-is-targeting-jeb-bush-next

The question will remain, who will prevail if and when the big money last gen politicians are purged from the field, the next gen Constitutional Tea Party Conservatives or the Marxist / Socialist “progressives”?

Whom ever prevails they will have an economic golden opportunity open to them after the depressive effects that Obama and his “fundamental change” has had on the American economy.

Obama and his supporters are currently keeping the anger focused mostly on dems through the next election cycle. Past that Republicans will need to get a lot of results out.

Fortunatly, if your not working hard against all normal economic trends and violating all normal gov rules, the country should be soaring economically and the[public rather pleased with the results.

On the plus side, Obama may have discredited liberalism for a generation.

An indicator that large numbers of Americans feel they have NO method to advance their grievances is the increase in the number of people jumping the fence at the Executive Mansion and the Capitol building.

The longer the present situation continues, frustrations will build and the Secret Service will be hard pressed to deflect radicalized citizens willing to put their lives on the line in order to be heard.

Liberals love the benevolent dictator line, or Obamas phrase of “returning more power to the wisemen of Washington”, since they think the ’80’s of the population that disagrees with them are fools who should be ignored anyway. So ramming down their throat what’s “right and in their best interest” is best for society.

They don’t like the fact that trying to hold back the tide, in the long run doesn’t work for most sandcastle builders.

But just because I didn’t like it when Democrats tried to do this to Republicans, I don’t think we should return the favor. We do need to hold people accountable, if that can’t be done through the legal system, it should be enshrined in our collective memories so that future Americans know what took place.

The other thing to do is prevent this from happening again but laws are only obeyed by the lawful. We rely on our elected officials to act in good faith and no amount of regulation can instill ethics which are generally above and beyond what is deemed legal.

“Before its too late”, another funny one. They are both unable to do what we all know must be done, they are both too invested in their own agendas which they believe will ensure the retention of THEIR power.

Ultimately the people must do what must be done, that’s if the examples of Fascism that are so well pointed out here has not grown too strong. Understanding history we all know the trajectory of the Democracy, the only unknown element in all of the demonstrations of the rule over the years is the American Constitution and whether its existence makes a difference to the rule.

We will see, I am both optimistic and pessimistic, if that makes any sense.