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		By: Jay		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffc,
China needs it for testing their lunar spacecraft they are developing.  From the pictures and specs, its mass is 20 tonnes (https://www.space.com/china-new-spacecraft-crewed-moon-missions.html) compared to the 8 tonne Shenzhou.  Kind of looks like the Soviet&#039;s Zond spacecraft.  The claimed LEO payload value for CZ-5B (Long March 5B) is about 25 tonnes so they will use that rocket for testing and will be using the Long March 9 for pushing this unnamed lunar spacecraft out to lunar orbit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffc,<br />
China needs it for testing their lunar spacecraft they are developing.  From the pictures and specs, its mass is 20 tonnes (<a href="https://www.space.com/china-new-spacecraft-crewed-moon-missions.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.space.com/china-new-spacecraft-crewed-moon-missions.html</a>) compared to the 8 tonne Shenzhou.  Kind of looks like the Soviet&#8217;s Zond spacecraft.  The claimed LEO payload value for CZ-5B (Long March 5B) is about 25 tonnes so they will use that rocket for testing and will be using the Long March 9 for pushing this unnamed lunar spacecraft out to lunar orbit.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/long-march-5b-arrives-at-launch-site/#comment-1076284&quot;&gt;geoffc&lt;/a&gt;.

geoffc: Yup, good question, the same one I asked in &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/prototypes-of-chinas-core-space-station-module-and-new-manned-spacecraft-arrive-at-launch-site/&quot;&gt;this post last month.&lt;/a&gt; To quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Apparently in upgrading its Shenzhou manned spacecraft China has made it 0.3 meters longer and about four tons heavier. In fact, this manned ferry for getting to and from its space station is as heavy as a standard module used on both Mir and ISS. I could be wrong, but if this is the case they will require the Long March 5 or 5B for every manned flight. Since this rocket is large and expensive, it will be difficult to use it for maintaining a frequent launch pace, thus limiting the number of manned missions.
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As I said, I could be wrong. Up until now I had assumed that a variant of the Long March 5 would be used to launch the station modules, and the smaller Long March 2F rocket used to ferry astronauts to it (as was done on all previous Chinese manned missions). This could still be the case.
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If not, however, China’s space engineers have either put a limit on what they can achieve by overbuilding that manned capsule, or their government has made a major commitment to put a lot of tonnage into orbit. If the latter China’s space program is going to be quite competitive indeed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/long-march-5b-arrives-at-launch-site/#comment-1076284">geoffc</a>.</p>
<p>geoffc: Yup, good question, the same one I asked in <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/prototypes-of-chinas-core-space-station-module-and-new-manned-spacecraft-arrive-at-launch-site/">this post last month.</a> To quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Apparently in upgrading its Shenzhou manned spacecraft China has made it 0.3 meters longer and about four tons heavier. In fact, this manned ferry for getting to and from its space station is as heavy as a standard module used on both Mir and ISS. I could be wrong, but if this is the case they will require the Long March 5 or 5B for every manned flight. Since this rocket is large and expensive, it will be difficult to use it for maintaining a frequent launch pace, thus limiting the number of manned missions.<br />
<br />
As I said, I could be wrong. Up until now I had assumed that a variant of the Long March 5 would be used to launch the station modules, and the smaller Long March 2F rocket used to ferry astronauts to it (as was done on all previous Chinese manned missions). This could still be the case.<br />
<br />
If not, however, China’s space engineers have either put a limit on what they can achieve by overbuilding that manned capsule, or their government has made a major commitment to put a lot of tonnage into orbit. If the latter China’s space program is going to be quite competitive indeed.</p></blockquote>
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		By: geoffc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So they are using the 5B for manned flights?  Isn&#039;t it a bit large for LEO missions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they are using the 5B for manned flights?  Isn&#8217;t it a bit large for LEO missions?</p>
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