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		By: Emily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The article was really helpful.]]></description>
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		By: Tom D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This discussion is, um, interesting, but it seems unlikely that industrial amounts of albumin can be obtained from donors or even chicken-laid eggs.  Chemical fabrication through industrial processes seems a lot more doable.  In the meantime this makes quite the April Fool&#039;s joke and/or horror story, but that&#039;s about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is, um, interesting, but it seems unlikely that industrial amounts of albumin can be obtained from donors or even chicken-laid eggs.  Chemical fabrication through industrial processes seems a lot more doable.  In the meantime this makes quite the April Fool&#8217;s joke and/or horror story, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 05:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://civiltoday.com/civil-engineering-materials/cement/10-cement-ingredients-with-functions
https://www.universetoday.com/99527/msl-update-curiosity-finds-calcium-rich-deposits/

Cement is the powdery substance that when mixed with clean water binds the other stuff like sand and aggregate(gravel) together.


The hard part that must be done very close to first, in order to make a sustainable colony, would be to establish a chemical processing plant or system on Mars.
Yes we will send the first cement up by rocket but the water, aggregate and filler would come from Mars itself.]]></description>
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<p>Cement is the powdery substance that when mixed with clean water binds the other stuff like sand and aggregate(gravel) together.</p>
<p>The hard part that must be done very close to first, in order to make a sustainable colony, would be to establish a chemical processing plant or system on Mars.<br />
Yes we will send the first cement up by rocket but the water, aggregate and filler would come from Mars itself.</p>
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		By: Star Bird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Star Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Russians  sent  a  Dog  into Space  She did  not Survive]]></description>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They would never use human blood or plasma, just the blood of the unvaccinated.]]></description>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting stuff, free PDF download of their trade-magazine.
https://shotcrete.org/shotcrete-magazine/current-magazine-issue/

pzatchok--
Expand on that if you have a moment. 
(my grand-father was an actual civil-engineer, me, not so much.)

broader esoteric question:
What sort of radiation-shielding value does generic concrete provide?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff, free PDF download of their trade-magazine.<br />
<a href="https://shotcrete.org/shotcrete-magazine/current-magazine-issue/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://shotcrete.org/shotcrete-magazine/current-magazine-issue/</a></p>
<p>pzatchok&#8211;<br />
Expand on that if you have a moment.<br />
(my grand-father was an actual civil-engineer, me, not so much.)</p>
<p>broader esoteric question:<br />
What sort of radiation-shielding value does generic concrete provide?</p>
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		By: J Fincannon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Fincannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Let them make bricks without straw&quot;.

Of all the ideas I have heard, I am dismayed the most by this one.   The study at least had no association I could find with NASA, thank goodness.  Its going to be a hell of a time just to get astronauts safely to and from Mars without causing loss of life/mission/humanity.  Now they want to build structures from blood?  Apparently, we need a competition (for clickbait) to make even more gruesome tech to help to go to Mars.  What is this world going to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let them make bricks without straw&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of all the ideas I have heard, I am dismayed the most by this one.   The study at least had no association I could find with NASA, thank goodness.  Its going to be a hell of a time just to get astronauts safely to and from Mars without causing loss of life/mission/humanity.  Now they want to build structures from blood?  Apparently, we need a competition (for clickbait) to make even more gruesome tech to help to go to Mars.  What is this world going to?</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 06:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mars has everything to make cement. The main ingredient for concrete.]]></description>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holy cow, &quot;they&quot; always have to go with the most outrageous &#038; energy/labor intensive &#039;thing they can dream up. 
Cozmik Konkrete, eh?

In my humble opinion, it&#039;s going to be a combination of indigenous aggregates and some sort of polymer-chemistry suitable to curing under the physical constraints of Mars.
(Unless they really intend to breed people for Soylent Green, a thought I would not entirely discount.)

I think these folks might be on to something, but they don&#039;t however have a Space-Research Division.

https://shotcrete.org/

&quot;Shotcrete, gunite , or sprayed concrete is a dry or wet-mix concrete or mortar conveyed through a hose and pneumatically projected at high velocity onto a surface, as a construction technique, first used in 1914 invented by engineer, Heidar Rizouki.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow, &#8220;they&#8221; always have to go with the most outrageous &amp; energy/labor intensive &#8216;thing they can dream up.<br />
Cozmik Konkrete, eh?</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, it&#8217;s going to be a combination of indigenous aggregates and some sort of polymer-chemistry suitable to curing under the physical constraints of Mars.<br />
(Unless they really intend to breed people for Soylent Green, a thought I would not entirely discount.)</p>
<p>I think these folks might be on to something, but they don&#8217;t however have a Space-Research Division.</p>
<p><a href="https://shotcrete.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://shotcrete.org/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Shotcrete, gunite , or sprayed concrete is a dry or wet-mix concrete or mortar conveyed through a hose and pneumatically projected at high velocity onto a surface, as a construction technique, first used in 1914 invented by engineer, Heidar Rizouki.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like Mars isn&#039;t red enough with that iron? You just gave China a horrible idea for Great Wall 2.                           
                                                       I can hear a snowy static-filled signal...with quindar beeps: &quot;Blah! What a waste.....wait....this soil IS dried blood from...from-augh!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Mars isn&#8217;t red enough with that iron? You just gave China a horrible idea for Great Wall 2.<br />
                                                       I can hear a snowy static-filled signal&#8230;with quindar beeps: &#8220;Blah! What a waste&#8230;..wait&#8230;.this soil IS dried blood from&#8230;from-augh!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Tom Billings		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Billings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 03:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Urea can be synthesized from materials all round Mars. Its Formula is CO(NH2)2.

Hydrogen from Water ice.

CO from the CO2 in the atmosphere, electrolyzed.

Nitrogen from its 2 percent concentration in the atmosphere.

As noted by Greg, Albumin is an available blood protein that can be extracted from blood, and the blood cells put back in the body. Once we approach a million people on Mars it should be available from humans and/or their food animals, and may be producible artificially if we can clone livers of mammalian animals to produce it, as we are already doing that with mammalian muscle tissues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urea can be synthesized from materials all round Mars. Its Formula is CO(NH2)2.</p>
<p>Hydrogen from Water ice.</p>
<p>CO from the CO2 in the atmosphere, electrolyzed.</p>
<p>Nitrogen from its 2 percent concentration in the atmosphere.</p>
<p>As noted by Greg, Albumin is an available blood protein that can be extracted from blood, and the blood cells put back in the body. Once we approach a million people on Mars it should be available from humans and/or their food animals, and may be producible artificially if we can clone livers of mammalian animals to produce it, as we are already doing that with mammalian muscle tissues.</p>
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		By: Greg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 00:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was appalled at the use of blood until I read further that it&#039;s the blood protein albumin that is the binding agent sought.  Albumin is the major blood protein in plasma, and as such is easily obtained by plasmapheresis.  Plasma donor centers abound, and commonly allow twice weekly &quot;donations&quot; of plasma.  Urea, from urine, is of course, even easier to obtain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was appalled at the use of blood until I read further that it&#8217;s the blood protein albumin that is the binding agent sought.  Albumin is the major blood protein in plasma, and as such is easily obtained by plasmapheresis.  Plasma donor centers abound, and commonly allow twice weekly &#8220;donations&#8221; of plasma.  Urea, from urine, is of course, even easier to obtain.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like Kyle&#039;s solution for a different reason.  Think about bacon as a staple food on Mars.  It could be used for recruiting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Kyle&#8217;s solution for a different reason.  Think about bacon as a staple food on Mars.  It could be used for recruiting.</p>
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		By: Mitch S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was this research funded by a Count from Romania?]]></description>
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		By: William Frumkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Frumkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chicken eggs are mostly albumin. Raise chickens for eggs, meat, companionship and concrete.  Just like here on earth.]]></description>
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		By: Calvin Dodge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Larry Niven&#039;s &quot;Organlegger&quot; was not intended as a how-to guide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Niven&#8217;s &#8220;Organlegger&#8221; was not intended as a how-to guide.</p>
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		By: Kyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What if they send pigs to Mars and use pigs blood instead.  Launch them as small piglets to save on weight.  Plus you can have... PIGS... IN... SPACE!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if they send pigs to Mars and use pigs blood instead.  Launch them as small piglets to save on weight.  Plus you can have&#8230; PIGS&#8230; IN&#8230; SPACE!!!</p>
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