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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those who don&#039;t already know, here is a quick explanation of how gravity assist works -- how the spacecraft ends up going faster despite approaching and leaving the planet at the same speed: 
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kD8PFhj_a8s (1 minute) 

The free-return trajectory for the Apollo missions worked similarly, except the opposite (how can that be?).  Instead of approaching the Moon from behind, it approached from in front, so that the Apollo spacecraft would slow down instead of speed up, then Apollo could fall back to Earth, so long as it slowed the right amount and in the right direction.  Otherwise it would miss the Earth.  Free-return trajectory for Apollo was a very small window.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t already know, here is a quick explanation of how gravity assist works &#8212; how the spacecraft ends up going faster despite approaching and leaving the planet at the same speed:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kD8PFhj_a8s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kD8PFhj_a8s</a> (1 minute) </p>
<p>The free-return trajectory for the Apollo missions worked similarly, except the opposite (how can that be?).  Instead of approaching the Moon from behind, it approached from in front, so that the Apollo spacecraft would slow down instead of speed up, then Apollo could fall back to Earth, so long as it slowed the right amount and in the right direction.  Otherwise it would miss the Earth.  Free-return trajectory for Apollo was a very small window.</p>
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		By: Don C.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pioneer 10 - startling news - math was used to predict a slingshot effect of a satellite at Jupiter.  First use of math to help solve a then-unknown physics problem!  Isaac gives a thumbs-up from his grave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pioneer 10 &#8211; startling news &#8211; math was used to predict a slingshot effect of a satellite at Jupiter.  First use of math to help solve a then-unknown physics problem!  Isaac gives a thumbs-up from his grave.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A followup to the ISRO protest.  The local Tamils did not like the Hindi text, because it is not their language, and defaced the sign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A followup to the ISRO protest.  The local Tamils did not like the Hindi text, because it is not their language, and defaced the sign.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, I hope I did not come across as dismissing Pioneer 10 and 11 as failures. I do not think anyone characterizes them that way.

Ames had very little money to develop and build those probes. They were very simple affairs next to the Voyagers, even after their knock-down redesign from the TOPS architecture. (As a kid, I was fascinated with the Pioneers and Voyagers, and I remember being surprised to see how small the full-scale mockup of Pioneer 10 was when my parents took us to the NASM.) I think it remains a marvel how much they were able to accomplish, having so little to work with. 

But yes, they got roughed up. It was our first direct evidence of just how formidable it was going to be to operate in Jupiter&#039;s electromagnetic field.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I hope I did not come across as dismissing Pioneer 10 and 11 as failures. I do not think anyone characterizes them that way.</p>
<p>Ames had very little money to develop and build those probes. They were very simple affairs next to the Voyagers, even after their knock-down redesign from the TOPS architecture. (As a kid, I was fascinated with the Pioneers and Voyagers, and I remember being surprised to see how small the full-scale mockup of Pioneer 10 was when my parents took us to the NASM.) I think it remains a marvel how much they were able to accomplish, having so little to work with. </p>
<p>But yes, they got roughed up. It was our first direct evidence of just how formidable it was going to be to operate in Jupiter&#8217;s electromagnetic field.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/march-3-2025-quick-space-links/#comment-1560969&quot;&gt;Richard M&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard M: Ah, but the whole point of Pioneer 10 and 11 was to characterize the environment around Jupiter so as to inform the design of the Voyager spacecraft. In that, both missions were spectacular successes, strengthened by the fact that both were able to send back a number of excellent pictures of Jupiter, plus several of its larger moons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/march-3-2025-quick-space-links/#comment-1560969">Richard M</a>.</p>
<p>Richard M: Ah, but the whole point of Pioneer 10 and 11 was to characterize the environment around Jupiter so as to inform the design of the Voyager spacecraft. In that, both missions were spectacular successes, strengthened by the fact that both were able to send back a number of excellent pictures of Jupiter, plus several of its larger moons.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pioneer 10 survived its Jupiter flyby, but it was pretty fried in the process. Imagery and data were lost thanks to a series of radiation induced false commands. Jupiter&#039;s electromagnetic field had proven more powerful than expected. 

But....the experience of Pioneer 10 and 11 proved of great benefit to the final design of the Voyagers. Ames engineers happily passed along their data to their Voyager counterparts, who, among other things, added more radiation shielding to their vehicles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pioneer 10 survived its Jupiter flyby, but it was pretty fried in the process. Imagery and data were lost thanks to a series of radiation induced false commands. Jupiter&#8217;s electromagnetic field had proven more powerful than expected. </p>
<p>But&#8230;.the experience of Pioneer 10 and 11 proved of great benefit to the final design of the Voyagers. Ames engineers happily passed along their data to their Voyager counterparts, who, among other things, added more radiation shielding to their vehicles.</p>
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		By: James Street		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 03:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elon Musk @elonmusk
Raptor 3 has almost twice the thrust and much higher reliability than Raptor 1, despite costing about four times less!
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SpaceX @SpaceX
Raptor 3 is an unprecedented step forward in rocket engine design, which will help us increase Starship’s efficiency and the amount of mass Starship is able to deliver to space
3:24 PM · Mar 3, 2025
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1896703213434462640]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon Musk @elonmusk<br />
Raptor 3 has almost twice the thrust and much higher reliability than Raptor 1, despite costing about four times less!<br />
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SpaceX @SpaceX<br />
Raptor 3 is an unprecedented step forward in rocket engine design, which will help us increase Starship’s efficiency and the amount of mass Starship is able to deliver to space<br />
3:24 PM · Mar 3, 2025<br />
<a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1896703213434462640" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1896703213434462640</a></p>
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