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		By: D. Messier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dick:

You&#039;re knowledge is incomplete. SpaceX launches Turkish satellites. At the time of the election, it had a deal to launch a Turkish astronaut to the International Space Station via an Axiom flight. As you mentioned, there have been discussions about building facilities in both countries. In fact, Elon canceled a trip to India where he would have met with Modi. These are not insignificant markets for future growth given how Tesla&#039;s share in existing markets is shrinking. Musk was willingness to curry favor with both leaders by aiding their election campaigns by censoring the opposition. 

The EU law on Twitter doesn&#039;t threaten Musk&#039;s car facility in Germany that operates under German laws and regulations. It&#039;s unlikely that the EU could do much of anything to stop Europeans from buying Teslas due to the way the common market works there. And, again, the law on social media doesn&#039;t cover motor vehicles.

As for the rest of your post....it&#039;s amazing how you laser focus on a party that didn&#039;t attempt a coup on Jan. 6. didn&#039;t send a mob to attack the Capitol that wanted to assassinate the vice president, and whose leader hasn&#039;t talked longingly about being a dictator once in office. He just picked a VP who said he would have not certified the election as Pence did and assisted Trump in his illegal effort to stay in power. You are blind to the real threat here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re knowledge is incomplete. SpaceX launches Turkish satellites. At the time of the election, it had a deal to launch a Turkish astronaut to the International Space Station via an Axiom flight. As you mentioned, there have been discussions about building facilities in both countries. In fact, Elon canceled a trip to India where he would have met with Modi. These are not insignificant markets for future growth given how Tesla&#8217;s share in existing markets is shrinking. Musk was willingness to curry favor with both leaders by aiding their election campaigns by censoring the opposition. </p>
<p>The EU law on Twitter doesn&#8217;t threaten Musk&#8217;s car facility in Germany that operates under German laws and regulations. It&#8217;s unlikely that the EU could do much of anything to stop Europeans from buying Teslas due to the way the common market works there. And, again, the law on social media doesn&#8217;t cover motor vehicles.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your post&#8230;.it&#8217;s amazing how you laser focus on a party that didn&#8217;t attempt a coup on Jan. 6. didn&#8217;t send a mob to attack the Capitol that wanted to assassinate the vice president, and whose leader hasn&#8217;t talked longingly about being a dictator once in office. He just picked a VP who said he would have not certified the election as Pence did and assisted Trump in his illegal effort to stay in power. You are blind to the real threat here.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[D. Messier,

To the best of my knowledge, Musk has no business interests in Turkey or India other than Starlink.  There have been some negotiations going on anent possible future Tesla car plants in both nations, but nothing has been confirmed in either case.

Meanwhile, in addition to Starlink, Musk has a huge Tesla plant in Germany so his business exposure in the EU is pretty clearly quite a bit larger than in Turkey or India.

And it is hardly as though Musk is alone in finding the EU &#039;s activities problematical.  So do sizable chunks of the various European national populations as evidenced by the rise in recent years of multiple nationalist and anti-EU political parties.  As with the Democrats in the U.S., the EU is doing its best to institute perpetual rule by unelected techocrats and is getting pushback.  As well it should.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. Messier,</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, Musk has no business interests in Turkey or India other than Starlink.  There have been some negotiations going on anent possible future Tesla car plants in both nations, but nothing has been confirmed in either case.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in addition to Starlink, Musk has a huge Tesla plant in Germany so his business exposure in the EU is pretty clearly quite a bit larger than in Turkey or India.</p>
<p>And it is hardly as though Musk is alone in finding the EU &#8216;s activities problematical.  So do sizable chunks of the various European national populations as evidenced by the rise in recent years of multiple nationalist and anti-EU political parties.  As with the Democrats in the U.S., the EU is doing its best to institute perpetual rule by unelected techocrats and is getting pushback.  As well it should.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Political ads the next target
https://phys.org/news/2024-07-unregulated-online-political-ads-pose.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political ads the next target<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2024-07-unregulated-online-political-ads-pose.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2024-07-unregulated-online-political-ads-pose.html</a></p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Joe Biden has been standing up to people like Elon and fighting for the middle class his entire career...&quot;

Yeah, like hosting a White House conference on EVs, declaring GM&#039;s Mary Barra the leader of the industry, and not inviting Tesla who sells more EVs than everyone else combined!

And just compare the Democrats&#039; constant angst about Joe&#039;s ability to win in November, to how seldom they express any concern about his ability to be President right now! That tells you everything you need to know about their crooked priorities!

To me it&#039;s their tacit admission: &quot;See, he hasn&#039;t been President for a couple years, and you didn&#039;t even know!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Joe Biden has been standing up to people like Elon and fighting for the middle class his entire career&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, like hosting a White House conference on EVs, declaring GM&#8217;s Mary Barra the leader of the industry, and not inviting Tesla who sells more EVs than everyone else combined!</p>
<p>And just compare the Democrats&#8217; constant angst about Joe&#8217;s ability to win in November, to how seldom they express any concern about his ability to be President right now! That tells you everything you need to know about their crooked priorities!</p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s their tacit admission: &#8220;See, he hasn&#8217;t been President for a couple years, and you didn&#8217;t even know!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Almost …almost … unbelievably, the FAA has “grounded” Falcon 9 until an investigation of the second stage booster explosion is completed. 

The most reliable rocket in history is grounded after one mishap. 

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-falcon-9-suffers-rare-failure-space-imperiling-starlink-mission-2024-07-12/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost …almost … unbelievably, the FAA has “grounded” Falcon 9 until an investigation of the second stage booster explosion is completed. </p>
<p>The most reliable rocket in history is grounded after one mishap. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-falcon-9-suffers-rare-failure-space-imperiling-starlink-mission-2024-07-12/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-falcon-9-suffers-rare-failure-space-imperiling-starlink-mission-2024-07-12/</a></p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 12:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile, we had this statement from the White House yesterday, reacting to news of a donation by Elon to a GOP superPAC:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Joe Biden has been standing up to people like Elon and fighting for the middle class his entire career — and it’s why he’ll win in November,&quot; Singer said in a statement.&lt;/i&gt;

At least the first part of the sentence is clearly true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, we had this statement from the White House yesterday, reacting to news of a donation by Elon to a GOP superPAC:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Joe Biden has been standing up to people like Elon and fighting for the middle class his entire career — and it’s why he’ll win in November,&#8221; Singer said in a statement.</i></p>
<p>At least the first part of the sentence is clearly true.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 07:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We certainly learned not to put all eggs in the SpaceX basket, didn&#039;t we?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We certainly learned not to put all eggs in the SpaceX basket, didn&#8217;t we?</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 07:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[X has re-joined the world economic forum‘s Garm. Advertisements and Censorship is back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X has re-joined the world economic forum‘s Garm. Advertisements and Censorship is back.</p>
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		By: D. Messier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The EU action is really about Xitter&#039;s PAID speech: check marks and advertising. Another element is Xitter trying to discouraging researchers by charging excessive fees for access. 

The reality is there are a lot of bots with check marks and many sketchy advertisers on the site. The point of the regs seems to be more transparency. It&#039;s hard to tell who is behind many of these accounts. If you see an advertisement on TV for a refrigerator, you would know what brand(s) is/are being advertised and what retailer was offering deals on them. The paid advertising and check marks are not nearly as clear. 

Elon is talking big here. But, if this goes to court, there would be discovery. And we might find out just how many bot accounts have check marks and get more info on sketchy advertisers. That would probably not be a good thing for Xitter. So there will probably be a settlement before it goes to court. 

Musk famously promised to defeat the bots or die trying. So far he hasn&#039;t delivered on either outcome. 

I would note Musk had no problem deleting posts from opposition officials on behalf of the leaders of India and Turkey prior to elections in those countries. This was done supposed to follow the law in these nations. But, Musk also has business interests in both nations. With the EU, he&#039;s suddenly saying the law doesn&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t apply. So there&#039;s no consistency in his positions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EU action is really about Xitter&#8217;s PAID speech: check marks and advertising. Another element is Xitter trying to discouraging researchers by charging excessive fees for access. </p>
<p>The reality is there are a lot of bots with check marks and many sketchy advertisers on the site. The point of the regs seems to be more transparency. It&#8217;s hard to tell who is behind many of these accounts. If you see an advertisement on TV for a refrigerator, you would know what brand(s) is/are being advertised and what retailer was offering deals on them. The paid advertising and check marks are not nearly as clear. </p>
<p>Elon is talking big here. But, if this goes to court, there would be discovery. And we might find out just how many bot accounts have check marks and get more info on sketchy advertisers. That would probably not be a good thing for Xitter. So there will probably be a settlement before it goes to court. </p>
<p>Musk famously promised to defeat the bots or die trying. So far he hasn&#8217;t delivered on either outcome. </p>
<p>I would note Musk had no problem deleting posts from opposition officials on behalf of the leaders of India and Turkey prior to elections in those countries. This was done supposed to follow the law in these nations. But, Musk also has business interests in both nations. With the EU, he&#8217;s suddenly saying the law doesn&#8217;t/shouldn&#8217;t apply. So there&#8217;s no consistency in his positions.</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really hope Musk and X will refuse to comply, and that Musk will continue to bring this to the world’s attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope Musk and X will refuse to comply, and that Musk will continue to bring this to the world’s attention.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not think that any place in Europe has the same freedom of speech as the US does.

Similar but not identical. In many cases its just the government granting &quot;freedom of speech&quot; to the citizen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that any place in Europe has the same freedom of speech as the US does.</p>
<p>Similar but not identical. In many cases its just the government granting &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; to the citizen.</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 00:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:

Politically strongarming the entire civilized world with the Green New Deal / Net Zero.

https://youtu.be/DqI0o_GASYg?si=imNoDVIo8Zva59Uf

Your existence as a free human being is a threat to Democracy!

Their Democracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:</p>
<p>Politically strongarming the entire civilized world with the Green New Deal / Net Zero.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/DqI0o_GASYg?si=imNoDVIo8Zva59Uf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/DqI0o_GASYg?si=imNoDVIo8Zva59Uf</a></p>
<p>Your existence as a free human being is a threat to Democracy!</p>
<p>Their Democracy.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2024 23:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tyrants need censorship.  Russian, Chinese, European, or American, they&#039;re all the same.  Musk says he hopes for a very public trial.  Good, it&#039;s time to fight back against those people. 

And what the hell do the European tyrants have any business regulating or fining foreign companies.  You want to ban the platform in your jurisdiction, good luck with that, see how the people react.  No, you just want to control the information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyrants need censorship.  Russian, Chinese, European, or American, they&#8217;re all the same.  Musk says he hopes for a very public trial.  Good, it&#8217;s time to fight back against those people. </p>
<p>And what the hell do the European tyrants have any business regulating or fining foreign companies.  You want to ban the platform in your jurisdiction, good luck with that, see how the people react.  No, you just want to control the information.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2024 22:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dark patterns?!&quot; Oh no, anything but that!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dark patterns?!&#8221; Oh no, anything but that!</p>
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