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	Comments on: Musk: Starship will likely attempt a chopstick landing on the eighth test launch	</title>
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		By: Trent Castanaveras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent Castanaveras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2024 19:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeff Wright:
Indeed.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859297019891781652?s=19

The driving thought seems to be, &quot;Whatever gets us to full and rapid reusability in the shortest time&quot;. Not a bad goal. Iterate until something works, then refine to achieve high reliability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Wright:<br />
Indeed.</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859297019891781652?s=19" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859297019891781652?s=19</a></p>
<p>The driving thought seems to be, &#8220;Whatever gets us to full and rapid reusability in the shortest time&#8221;. Not a bad goal. Iterate until something works, then refine to achieve high reliability.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 23:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Aerodynamics of a Cow&quot;
Real Time Rendering with 1m/s wind speed.
https://youtu.be/VyxMZ2vS3dI
(0:10)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aerodynamics of a Cow&#8221;<br />
Real Time Rendering with 1m/s wind speed.<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/VyxMZ2vS3dI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/VyxMZ2vS3dI</a><br />
(0:10)</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Z.,
Hilarious.

Think Like a Physicist
Assume a Spherical Cow!
https://youtu.be/J-jN1b5V1XI
(9:48)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Z.,<br />
Hilarious.</p>
<p>Think Like a Physicist<br />
Assume a Spherical Cow!<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/J-jN1b5V1XI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/J-jN1b5V1XI</a><br />
(9:48)</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 21:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/musk-starship-will-likely-attempt-a-chopstick-landing-on-the-eighth-test-launch/#comment-1532608&quot;&gt;Jeff Wright&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff Wright: It is called a cow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/musk-starship-will-likely-attempt-a-chopstick-landing-on-the-eighth-test-launch/#comment-1532608">Jeff Wright</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff Wright: It is called a cow.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 21:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also of note---there is a low-energy way to convert CO2 to methane
https://phys.org/news/2024-11-plasma-derived-atomic-hydrogen-advances.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also of note&#8212;there is a low-energy way to convert CO2 to methane<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2024-11-plasma-derived-atomic-hydrogen-advances.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2024-11-plasma-derived-atomic-hydrogen-advances.html</a></p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 03:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That it would.

I am hearing that transpiration cooling is back on the table.

A couple of papers of note--
&quot;Metal-wool heat shields for space shuttle&quot;
NTRS 19740011469.pdf

--and a similar paper:
https://doi.org/10.2514/1.A34908

Here, 304 stainless is itself used as a heat shield.

For the bones of Starship, Elon may wish to contact Mr. Nuytten of the Nuytco ExoSuit 2000.

He was given permission to use American submarine steel noted for its toughness--which may be useful.

Autoclaves have been useful here--but has anyone used re-entry heating itself to cook a material in flight between two liners?

Grow a single crystal liner--heat during re-entry--then remove outer and inner layers for a one-piece heat shield.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That it would.</p>
<p>I am hearing that transpiration cooling is back on the table.</p>
<p>A couple of papers of note&#8211;<br />
&#8220;Metal-wool heat shields for space shuttle&#8221;<br />
NTRS 19740011469.pdf</p>
<p>&#8211;and a similar paper:<br />
<a href="https://doi.org/10.2514/1.A34908" rel="nofollow ugc">https://doi.org/10.2514/1.A34908</a></p>
<p>Here, 304 stainless is itself used as a heat shield.</p>
<p>For the bones of Starship, Elon may wish to contact Mr. Nuytten of the Nuytco ExoSuit 2000.</p>
<p>He was given permission to use American submarine steel noted for its toughness&#8211;which may be useful.</p>
<p>Autoclaves have been useful here&#8211;but has anyone used re-entry heating itself to cook a material in flight between two liners?</p>
<p>Grow a single crystal liner&#8211;heat during re-entry&#8211;then remove outer and inner layers for a one-piece heat shield.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Mad Bob.  If Starship does not have the crossrange capability to do a once around and back to Boca Chica (which may be a future goal to facilitate rapid reuse), then it will have to be in orbit for a day or so.  If the booster can be removed from the launch mount fast enough, then the second tower need not be ready for a catch for the eighth flight.  

Although having one on each tower would make for one hell of a photograph.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mad Bob.  If Starship does not have the crossrange capability to do a once around and back to Boca Chica (which may be a future goal to facilitate rapid reuse), then it will have to be in orbit for a day or so.  If the booster can be removed from the launch mount fast enough, then the second tower need not be ready for a catch for the eighth flight.  </p>
<p>Although having one on each tower would make for one hell of a photograph.</p>
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		By: Mike Borgelt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borgelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 23:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Flight 8 goes into orbit look for the MSM reporting: &quot;After  seven failures Musk&#039;s big rocket finally makes orbit&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Flight 8 goes into orbit look for the MSM reporting: &#8220;After  seven failures Musk&#8217;s big rocket finally makes orbit&#8221;</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/musk-starship-will-likely-attempt-a-chopstick-landing-on-the-eighth-test-launch/#comment-1532429&quot;&gt;Mad Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

All: In rereading the tweet, I agree with my readers. I misread Musk&#039;s words. He and his company now routinely use &quot;ship&quot; to refer to Starship and &quot;booster&quot; for Superheavy.

I will correct this post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/musk-starship-will-likely-attempt-a-chopstick-landing-on-the-eighth-test-launch/#comment-1532429">Mad Bob</a>.</p>
<p>All: In rereading the tweet, I agree with my readers. I misread Musk&#8217;s words. He and his company now routinely use &#8220;ship&#8221; to refer to Starship and &#8220;booster&#8221; for Superheavy.</p>
<p>I will correct this post.</p>
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		By: Mad Bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Trent, nothing in Musk&#039;s tweet precludes catching both. I dont think starship has the crossrange to do a once around and back to boca chica, so it will have to be in orbit for some time until it aligns back to boca. How much time is needed to safe the booster, get the crew &#038; transport stand out there, move it away, and prep for another catch? A day?  

Or if both towers are ready as Trent suggests, could catch on both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Trent, nothing in Musk&#8217;s tweet precludes catching both. I dont think starship has the crossrange to do a once around and back to boca chica, so it will have to be in orbit for some time until it aligns back to boca. How much time is needed to safe the booster, get the crew &amp; transport stand out there, move it away, and prep for another catch? A day?  </p>
<p>Or if both towers are ready as Trent suggests, could catch on both.</p>
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		By: Larry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Trent Castanaveras.  I think you misread the tweet, Bob.  Musk is referring to catching Starship, not the booster, on the next flight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Trent Castanaveras.  I think you misread the tweet, Bob.  Musk is referring to catching Starship, not the booster, on the next flight.</p>
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		By: Trent Castanaveras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent Castanaveras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The tweet specifically says &quot;ocean landing of the ship&quot;. This does not seem to imply that a booster catch is out.

Am I missing something?

Side note: Landing Ship in the Indian Ocean once more gives the second tower time for completion and checkouts. Flight 8 could see both booster and ship return to launch pad, side by side. Excitement guaranteed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tweet specifically says &#8220;ocean landing of the ship&#8221;. This does not seem to imply that a booster catch is out.</p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
<p>Side note: Landing Ship in the Indian Ocean once more gives the second tower time for completion and checkouts. Flight 8 could see both booster and ship return to launch pad, side by side. Excitement guaranteed!</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They won&#039;t attempt a SS catch for OFT7. but they will attempt to catch the SH booster that flew nominally.   They lost comms on the tower so aborted the catch attempt.   Don&#039;t be surprised if they skip or modify the tower avoidance maneuver to protect the tower and chopsticks on the next launch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t attempt a SS catch for OFT7. but they will attempt to catch the SH booster that flew nominally.   They lost comms on the tower so aborted the catch attempt.   Don&#8217;t be surprised if they skip or modify the tower avoidance maneuver to protect the tower and chopsticks on the next launch.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could the booster be diverted to the 2nd orbital launch tower?

Anyway, sounds like Elon is acknowledging that the booster catch is no where as important as ship test flights.  Sure, all the flight 5 drama served the dual purpose of disempowering the FAA and exciting the public with the spectacular catch visual.  But the FAA did authorize Starship test flights back in the summer, after flight 4.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the booster be diverted to the 2nd orbital launch tower?</p>
<p>Anyway, sounds like Elon is acknowledging that the booster catch is no where as important as ship test flights.  Sure, all the flight 5 drama served the dual purpose of disempowering the FAA and exciting the public with the spectacular catch visual.  But the FAA did authorize Starship test flights back in the summer, after flight 4.</p>
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