“We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people.”

JFK was a navy man. Of course his metaphors would be somewhat biased.

I prefer the metaphor of prairie wagon schooners tacking toward new frontiers, because they can, no longer having to participate against their will in what they’ve voluntarily left behind.

Freedom.

For their own progress. The rest can fend for themselves according to their own abilities.

However, to the question of Maritime law applying in space.. Maritime law applies anytime you are not in your own territory, and hence people have assumed it applies in space. That is not a strictly accurate interpretation shared by all, however.

As far as the US Federal code is concerned, it applies on waterways and the oceans, and is divided as such (inland as demarcated on charts and international, which is everywhere else). There are a few more specifics that do not apply to the conversation. I have read that countries apply SOLAS, Safety Of Life At Sea to space, and that Spacefaring nations have accepted that the concept of SOLAS extends to to space travelers. However, there is nothing in the convention itself that states this. I think the general idea is that if any nations space farers are in trouble, everyone will assist as able to preserve life.

Governments are going to attempt to extend their control always. If that means finding unique ways to say that this person or this group is not allowed to go to space, while the other may, they will. They cannot help themselves. Because that is what governments do: interfere with or ignore equally.

If something looks too free, they will fight tooth and nail to put a reign on it.

You wound me, sir. One of the more inspiring quotes from the nascent space expansion:

“We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people.”

President John F. Kennedy Rice University 12 September 1962

Back when even Democrats believed in America.

I give new management eighteen months to turn things around. Bezos got personally involved last summer, so if Blue Origin is still in slow motion at the end of this year then I will have to concede that he is not serious (or successful) about being a competitor in the space business. This would be almost as disappointing as losing Bigelow Aerospace. Thank goodness that Beck is serious with his Rocket Lab. We will have to see how others fare, but I am already prepared to give up on Northrop Grumman.

Space is hard and challenging. How many rockets did SpaceX blow up trying to do it? My recollection is they lost three Falcon 1s before succeeding. I lost count on the Falcon 9s lost trying to land on a barge. They blew up three or four Starships trying to land in a way no one would have believed (and maybe some still don’t believe). That is tenacity like we hardly ever see.

Rocket lab lost three rockets out of 29 tries, but none recently. They failed to catch a returning booster, and I would still think it impossible if they hadn’t succeeded on their test. Now I just think it to be improbable, which makes it easier for those who do the impossible on a regular schedule.

There may be others who are serious but behind the curve. I still have hopes for Bezos and his team.

Edward wrote, “Unlike government projects, these commercial companies have incentive to get on orbit sooner rather than later.”

Unless you happen to be talking about Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin. This very strange company does not seem to operate at a pace designed to make money. Instead, it moves like it is Bezos’ weekend hobby, slow and with little urgency.

GaryMike,
Lack of control does not mean lack of law. For a century, you could hop into your can and drive to work, all in a lawful environment (in most places in America), but only recently could you hop into a Dragon and fly to orbit. Soon you won’t need government permission to go to a space station to do work (or maybe even to have a vacation).

Dave Walden,
I’ve been in the space engineering business too long to be that pessimistic (I’m pessimistic on other topics, though), and I think even Robert believes he was exaggerating. It is clear to me, however, that there is optimism to the current schedules that NASA and the commercial companies are working to, and they assume that there will not be big difficulties along the way. Problems will occur, and schedules will almost certainly be delayed, but not by that many years. Unlike government projects, these commercial companies have incentive to get on orbit sooner rather than later.

Contextually, it is impossible not to! “2090” is optimistic!

“…government control over what is done in space is coming to an end…”

Governments have contractually obligated themselves to each other in those areas of near space where damages result in litigation for compensation. I take that to mean, if you are in orbit about Earth, Earth has jurisdiction.

Fair enough. No longer in direct Earth orbit — Freedom!

The space faring nations I believe will attempt to extend ‘Laws of the Seas” conventions into space to extend government influence.

There are no seas in space. Only settlers distancing themselves from carpetbaggers.

I like the term ‘bending tin’, and expect (or, hope) that it will last long into the future. An anachronistic term that connects us to our past, yet still describes the process.

I like that these two organizations are working closely together. I once was designing an incubator without much supervision, and I continually worried that I may not be designing what I was supposed to make, what the customer expected. Having that much autonomy is wonderful when making something you want, independent of the boss, but when you are building something for the customer then it is better to have close communication to assure that everyone agrees to what is made. I got the most accolades from my bosses when I worked closest with the customer.

I am not concerned that this is holding up construction. It is similar in pace to several space projects I worked on in the past. The biggest problem that we really have is the loss of Bigelow Aerospace, which already could build a space habitat quickly.

Under normal circumstances, there would also be a preliminary design review to assure that the design does what NASA wants for close to the quoted price, but NASA is buying service from this space station, not buying the space station itself, and Orbital Reef may choose to include facilities in addition to what NASA wants, and this may cost more than NASA pays. Thus there also may not be a critical design review, a review done before much metal get cut or bent (or “printed,” in these days of additive manufacturing). NASA’s intention is for these space stations to have may customers, other than NASA, so that a strong commercial space industry is founded and sustained. NASA wants to foster a space economy that is far greater than NASA can afford on its own and that produces items that NASA would never produce.

The beauty of all this is that government control over access to space and government control over what is done in space is coming to an end. For sixty years (longer if you include sounding rockets), government controlled space, and all we got from it was what government wanted. Soon, We the People will control space, and we will finally get what we want, what had been promised back in the 1950s.