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	Comments on: NASA and Roscosmos finalize barter deal for flying astronauts to ISS	</title>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 07:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rotate the extra Dragon out every time a new one is sent up. Thus minimizing the total time they spend in space.
This way there is always an American escape vessel in place and ready. The Russians can deal with their own people by themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rotate the extra Dragon out every time a new one is sent up. Thus minimizing the total time they spend in space.<br />
This way there is always an American escape vessel in place and ready. The Russians can deal with their own people by themselves.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So…how many chickens is a Dragon seat worth, again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So…how many chickens is a Dragon seat worth, again?</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pzatchok,

It is not a matter of just parking an extra capsule. Even dormant, they have a window of time for remaining in space. 

A true, dedicated vessel for safe abandon and return to earth (lifeboat) has never been developed. We just always rely on the vessels used to get them up there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pzatchok,</p>
<p>It is not a matter of just parking an extra capsule. Even dormant, they have a window of time for remaining in space. </p>
<p>A true, dedicated vessel for safe abandon and return to earth (lifeboat) has never been developed. We just always rely on the vessels used to get them up there.</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 21:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rogozin: When being Russian is deemed to be too obviously Russian for the times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogozin: When being Russian is deemed to be too obviously Russian for the times.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Max,

On the ISS, NASA is in charge of providing electricity and thermal control. Roscosmos is in charge of providing maneuvering thrust and excitement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>On the ISS, NASA is in charge of providing electricity and thermal control. Roscosmos is in charge of providing maneuvering thrust and excitement.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 01:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard M said;

  “when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn’t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck.”

 Like thrusters firing out of control?
https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/thrusters-on-soyuz-docked-to-iss-fire-improperly/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard M said;</p>
<p>  “when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn’t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck.”</p>
<p> Like thrusters firing out of control?<br />
<a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/thrusters-on-soyuz-docked-to-iss-fire-improperly/" rel="ugc">https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/thrusters-on-soyuz-docked-to-iss-fire-improperly/</a></p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Buy and park another Crew Dragon up there.

It does not even have to be attached to a docking port. Its remote controlled anyways. 

I wonder if a fake docking port could be attached to the structure just to store one? Data and power hook up of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buy and park another Crew Dragon up there.</p>
<p>It does not even have to be attached to a docking port. Its remote controlled anyways. </p>
<p>I wonder if a fake docking port could be attached to the structure just to store one? Data and power hook up of course.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It takes a lot of focus for an Italy-sized economy to threaten the world, and that focus necessarily has to be on ICBMs, not commercial spacecraft. That&#039;s why the Russians&#039; primary manned launcher is based on a 1950s-vintage ICBM. Of course, when it is convenient, the French will happily start using the Soyuz again, to show their independence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes a lot of focus for an Italy-sized economy to threaten the world, and that focus necessarily has to be on ICBMs, not commercial spacecraft. That&#8217;s why the Russians&#8217; primary manned launcher is based on a 1950s-vintage ICBM. Of course, when it is convenient, the French will happily start using the Soyuz again, to show their independence.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Col Beausabre,

To expand a little on what Bob said:

The new seat swap agreement is for assurance that there will always be at least one person on the ISS to operate the US part of the station (USOS), or conversely, one person to operate the Russian modules (ROS), in the event that a crew needs to return home early. This is because if one person becomes severely ill or badly injured, the &lt;i&gt;whole crew must return to Earth&lt;/i&gt;, since NASA policy is to not leave someone up on the ISS without a way to return to Earth. Currently, that would result in the USOS being unoccupied if the Crew Dragon needs to return (or the Russian side unoccupied if the Soyuz must suddenly return). Something NASA would like to avoid if possible. 

Hopefully it becomes clearer why this difficulty will still remain for NASA even once Starliner is operational. The USOS is not going to have two crew vehicles simultaneously docked save for the brief intervals of crew handoffs or commercial mission visits (like Axiom&#039;s this spring).

Now, I&#039;m merely describing NASA&#039;s reason. I am not endorsing it. 

I think....the longer term answer here may be when Axiom Space starts installing its modules on ISS in 2024. That will add additional docking ports and additional life support, and NASA could probably work up a deal with Axiom to have one of its crew trained at all times to teemporarily take over USOS maintenance if the NASA crew suddenly had to leave. By the way. the proposed Axiom, Northrop Grumman, and Orbital Reef stations, when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn&#039;t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck. At that point, NASA could achieve its objective even if it had to completely break off from the Russians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Col Beausabre,</p>
<p>To expand a little on what Bob said:</p>
<p>The new seat swap agreement is for assurance that there will always be at least one person on the ISS to operate the US part of the station (USOS), or conversely, one person to operate the Russian modules (ROS), in the event that a crew needs to return home early. This is because if one person becomes severely ill or badly injured, the <i>whole crew must return to Earth</i>, since NASA policy is to not leave someone up on the ISS without a way to return to Earth. Currently, that would result in the USOS being unoccupied if the Crew Dragon needs to return (or the Russian side unoccupied if the Soyuz must suddenly return). Something NASA would like to avoid if possible. </p>
<p>Hopefully it becomes clearer why this difficulty will still remain for NASA even once Starliner is operational. The USOS is not going to have two crew vehicles simultaneously docked save for the brief intervals of crew handoffs or commercial mission visits (like Axiom&#8217;s this spring).</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m merely describing NASA&#8217;s reason. I am not endorsing it. </p>
<p>I think&#8230;.the longer term answer here may be when Axiom Space starts installing its modules on ISS in 2024. That will add additional docking ports and additional life support, and NASA could probably work up a deal with Axiom to have one of its crew trained at all times to teemporarily take over USOS maintenance if the NASA crew suddenly had to leave. By the way. the proposed Axiom, Northrop Grumman, and Orbital Reef stations, when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn&#8217;t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck. At that point, NASA could achieve its objective even if it had to completely break off from the Russians.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My only concern is Yuri Borisov is more military than his predecessor. Hopefully he can figure out the direction the Russian space program should take. I doubt there will be much in the commercialization part of his plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only concern is Yuri Borisov is more military than his predecessor. Hopefully he can figure out the direction the Russian space program should take. I doubt there will be much in the commercialization part of his plan.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 17:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/nasa-and-roscosmos-finalize-barter-deal-for-flying-astronauts-to-iss/#comment-1342574&quot;&gt;Col Beausabre&lt;/a&gt;.

Col Beausabre: The barter deal really centers on safety. The manned capsules are the station&#039;s lifeboats. It is essential that everyone know how to fly both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/nasa-and-roscosmos-finalize-barter-deal-for-flying-astronauts-to-iss/#comment-1342574">Col Beausabre</a>.</p>
<p>Col Beausabre: The barter deal really centers on safety. The manned capsules are the station&#8217;s lifeboats. It is essential that everyone know how to fly both.</p>
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		By: Col Beausabre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Col Beausabre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 17:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why would the US want to do that....we have a demonstrated American way to get our people to the ISS......as Rogozin would put it, let the Kremlin get broomsticks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the US want to do that&#8230;.we have a demonstrated American way to get our people to the ISS&#8230;&#8230;as Rogozin would put it, let the Kremlin get broomsticks</p>
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